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Jon A. Delamarter

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 14
Location: Williamsport, PA

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: New Lycoming Website

Check out the new Lycoming website at www.lycoming.com.

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Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: New Lycoming Website

Is there any chance Lycoming could buy-out the LASAR portion of 

Unison/GE and make it work?  It took me 10 months to get the correct 

controller and harness.  Then, when I had questions, no one would 

return my calls.  In fact, I never did get a call back from Steve 

Carter at Unison.  I was never able to talk to anyone regarding the 

timing of the mags.



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Gary
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Jon A. Delamarter

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 14
Location: Williamsport, PA

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: Re: New Lycoming Website

Gary:



Thanks for your question.  I'm not aware of any intitiative from Lycoming to procure any part of Unison's business.  However, I am frequently in contact with Unison.  I would like to forward your request to my contact, Fred Sontag.  Please email me your concerns at jdelamarter(at)lycoming.textron.com.  I will communicate with Fred and ask him for a response.  I know from talking to him that he is working hard to close the loop on these types of concerns.  He took care of one of my customers recently in an extremely effective manner.



Regards,

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Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: New Lycoming Website

Thanks for the response.  I do firewall forward restorations on Grumman 

Tigers and  Cheetahs about 3 or 4 times a year.  About 50% of them ask 

for the LASAR mags and, quite frankly, I discourage it because of my 

experience with Unison.  They, it appears to me and everyone else with 

whom I've talked, have no desire to produce this product.  I get the 

impression that the LASAR mags are a nuisance to them.  I would like to 

see Lycoming take the initiative and produce an electronic ignition for 

their engines.  And do it a lot simpler than Unison.  Right now there 

are several electronic ignitions on the market for experimental 

aircraft that are clean and simple; get one of them approved for 

certified aircraft.



Gary



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Jon A. Delamarter

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 14
Location: Williamsport, PA

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: New Lycoming Website

Gary:



Actually, Lycoming is extensively engaged in Electronic Engine Control development.  I can't spill the beans yet, but suffice to say that we are making excellent progress and I am really excited about the product we will be bringing to market!  This system will control all engine parameters, not just ignition.  Keep watching!



All the best,

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Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: New Lycoming Website

Awesome. In what year?



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Jon A. Delamarter

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Location: Williamsport, PA

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: Re: New Lycoming Website

Again, I'm not at liberty to discuss development details, including timelines, but I can tell you that the EEC program is Lycoming's top new product development program.  Our team of engineers and experimental technicians is working almost around the clock to complete the project.

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Jon A. Delamarter
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Lycoming Engines

Jon A. Delamarter

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 14
Location: Williamsport, PA

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: Re: New Lycoming Website

Okay, Gary, here's the response from Unison.  



Hey Jon,

 

Sounds to me like your customer got a bit of the "Unison shuffle".  I can assure you and your customer Unison does not view LASAR as a nuisance, but as a premium product that requires a lot of hands on to "spec" out a complete system.  We often ask questions that, to an end customer, may seem ridulous or uneccessary, but we require a lot of information to provide them with the exactly correct system.

 

One of the major problems with LASAR is the complete lack of skilled individuals in the field with the LASAR systems.  Unlike our Slick magnetos, LASAR is not a simple product.  So many mechanics shy away from it, typically as it is not a simple product to understand.  For that reason, all LASAR questions are now 100% answered by Unison, not by trained mechanics in the field.  If we had to answer every single question about Slick mags, we'd be overloaded.  So with LASAR, it's a crushing amount of interest handled by only one or two people at Unison.  In fact, while we do not attempt to make excuses, our product support engineer of 45 years, Lyman Hardt, passed away last year.  His loss has hurt Unison in many ways.  Specifically, in our piston engine product support group.  We lost more than a person, we lost a lifetime of experience.

 

It sounds like here, your customer may have caught our product support person (yes, we only have one) on a bad day.  We have not replaced Lyman at Unison and left 100% of his responsibilities to one person.  While I may personally disagree with this strategy, it is what it is.

 

What I recommend for your customers is to contact our piston engine product support line at 904-739-4081 first.  We are adding a new (not really new, as he's been at Unison for almost 10 years) product support engineer in the next few weeks.  If your end customers do not feel they are getting the support they require, feel free to have them contact our field reps as referenced below.

 

I can assure you, Unison is not going anywhere.  While we are not perfect, we strive to fix any perceived issues in a timely manner.  Kinda like LASAR, which has undergone 4 revision upgrades in it's 12 year history, we put our money where our mouth is.  By the way, you can tell your customer that the LASAR product line is for sale.  What's he offering?...  

 

From stormy New Zealand,

 

Fred Sontag

Unison Distribution Sales Manager

  

 

Eastern US & Canada

Kara Smith

904-739-4208

kara.smith(at)unisonindustries.com

 

Western US & Canada

Gina Van Slyke

904-739-4049

gina.van.slyke(at)unisonindustries.com

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: New Lycoming Website

About time!!!!!



Thanks.  I'll be watching!  What I'd like to see is a control by wire piston

engine.  One control for everything.



Noel



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GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: New Lycoming Website

is this something as straight forward (I say, tongue-in-cheek) to 

install as the LASAR?



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GrummanDude

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Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: New Lycoming Website

Thanks for the update.  I printed the email, I'll save it for future 

installations.  Hopefully, next time will go easier.



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Jon A. Delamarter

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Location: Williamsport, PA

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: Re: New Lycoming Website

That is the intent.



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		  [quote="Float Flyr"]About time!!!!!



Thanks.  I'll be watching!  What I'd like to see is a control by wire piston

engine.  One control for everything.



Noel



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