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Dave Miller

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warri

Greg, 

 

If you can find one locally, a Diamond Katana would probably give the closest approximation of a tri-gear. 

 

Lots of them in use here ( London, Ont, Canada, where they are built) 

 

Dave A061  

 

 

    "Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers(at)talktalk.net> 

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05/09/2007 01:10 PM 

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        Subject:        RE: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warriar 

 

 

Assuming your Europa is a Tri Gear then the Tomahawk is as near as either those you mention,  BUT the Europa is much more responsive.  The big difference with the Europa is its lack of inertia and this definitely needs to be appreciated to avoid awkward landings.  You need to keep power on right into the flare.   

  

If yours is a Mono then practice in a Cub would be much more useful to you. 

  

I hope this helps a little 

  

Pete 

  

UK kit 52 

   

 

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gregoryf.flyboy

 Sent: 09 May 2007 17:11

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warriar 

  

  

  

  

This question probably cannot be answered by too many people. It would require that someone has been up in all 3 of these craft, or intimately knowledgeable about them all. I have the option of finishing off my flight training in a (cheaper to operate) Piper Tomahawk, or a (what I'm used to) Piper Warrior. I went up in the Tomahawk yesterday, but am leaning towards the Warrior, unless the Europa flies more like a tomahawk than the Warrior. Then I might stick with it. For those in the know, which craft does the Europa most fly like, concerning stalls, handling, etc? Next flight is Friday, so a decision must be made soon. 

Thanks, 

  

Greg (A050) 

  

Do not archive 

  

  

  

Date: 08/05/2007 14:23 

 08/05/2007 14:23 

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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warri

Greg,

  

 I can second what Dave and Pete says below.  I  got club check-out in a Katana with Rotax 912S.  Having flown Cherokees and  172s until then, it was a noticeable difference, particularly with respect to  inertia/speed/flare.  Practiced landing circuits a lot.  Shortly  thereafter, I did the first flight of my Europa tri-gear, and found the two  aircraft to be very similar.  I found this a very valuable practice and  confidence-builder, and I also believe our CAA considered this training a  factor when issuing their "test-pilot" approval to me.

  

 Regards,

 Svein

 LN-SKJ

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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warri

Hi Svein,  

   

I may look around to see if a Katana is available to rent, somewhat prior to my first flights in the Europa. It is nice to know this fact.  

   

Thank-you, and Regards,  

   

Greg (A050)  

         

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein Johnsen

 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:56 AM

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 Subject: Re: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warriar  

  

     

Greg,  

    

   

    

I can second what Dave and Pete says below.  I got club check-out in a Katana with Rotax 912S.  Having flown Cherokees and 172s until then, it was a noticeable difference, particularly with respect to inertia/speed/flare.  Practiced landing circuits a lot.  Shortly thereafter, I did the first flight of my Europa tri-gear, and found the two aircraft to be very similar.  I found this a very valuable practice and confidence-builder, and I also believe our CAA considered this training a factor when issuing their "test-pilot" approval to me.  

    

   

    

Regards,  

    

Svein  

    

LN-SKJ  

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