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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

I'm not sure what to think of the following bit of history from Wikipedia but if true it catapults the diminutive Yak-52 trainer to the status of WARBIRD (much to the chagrin of some I'm sure):



"The Abkhazian Air Force is a small air force operating from the Georgian breakaway state of Abkhazia. Few details are available on its formation, but it is reported to have been established by Viyacheslav Eshba based upon several Yak-52 trainer aircraft armed with machine guns.[1] Its first combat mission was conducted on 27 August 1992, which has come to be celebrated in Abkhazia as "Aviation Day." The Abkhaz Air Force claims to have made 400 operational flights during the 1992-1993 Abkhaz-Georgian civil war.[1] Abkhaz combat losses during the civil war are uncertain, but include a Yak-52 on a reconnaissance mission near Sukhumi on 4 July 1993.[2]"



So is Abkhazia a real place or something from the movie "Borat"?  Was it made up by Yak owners to give them "warbird" status?  If it's real then would it be possible to join them in joint exercises or possibly as a foreign mercenary force (ala the Flying Tigers)?  Is their beer any good?  So many questions...



Here's the Wikipedia entry:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Air_Force

Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!

This is too damned funny.  Which one of you guys did this?!  According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in their Air Force.  I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force Roundel.  This just can't be real...

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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!

This appears to be real.



From the UC Berkely Reference:



"The Abkhaz Air Force was created by Viyacheslav Eshba. August 27 is celebrated in Abkhazia as Aviation Day. That day in 1992, the first Abkhaz combat planes - several sport Soviet-build Yak-52 armed with machine guns - took off. Later on, Abkhazia managed to get some helicopters. During the war the Abkhaz Air Force made 400 flights.

In September 1992, Lev Katiba, the captain of a civil ship, began to build up the Abkhaz Navy. He transformed several tourist boats into battle ships having armed them with machine guns and grenade launchers."

From ACIG (Air Combat Information Group):



"Initially, the Georgians held their positions and reported a number of successful defensive operations, including downing of a Russian Su-25 over Suchumi, on 3 July, as well as a Yak-52 reconnaissance aircraft and a Mi-8T (in the Tkwartichely area) on the following day."

f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny".  Oppressed people who have  

to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.   

We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much  

less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the  

Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't  

belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate...



Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......

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On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:



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 This is too damned funny.  Which one of you guys did this?!   

 According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in  

 their Air Force.  I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force  

 Roundel.  This just can't be real...





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854





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 http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg

Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 155

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!

hey f4ffm2.  don't be such a melodramatic asshole.

 	  f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net wrote: 	
		  I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny".  Oppressed people who have  

to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.   

We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much  

less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the  

Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't  

belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate...



Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......

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On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 This is too damned funny.  Which one of you guys did this?!   

 According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in  

 their Air Force.  I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force  

 Roundel.  This just can't be real...





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854





 Attachments:



 http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg

f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

I love replies like Scooters.  It tells me, in great clarity,  

everything I ever want to know about that person.



  Say whatever you like Scooter....it was your pathetic little thread  

anyway.



  Perhaps I am an asshole....but I certainly wasn't being  

melodramatic.__________________________________



On Jun 11, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Scooter wrote:



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 hey f4ffm2.  don't be such a melodramatic asshole.



 f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net wrote:

> I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny".  Oppressed people who have

> to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.

> We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much

> less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the

> Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't

> belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate...

>

> Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......

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> On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:

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>>  This is too damned funny.  Which one of you guys did this?!

>>  According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in

>>  their Air Force.  I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force

>>  Roundel.  This just can't be real...

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>>  Read this topic online here:

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>>  http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854

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>>  Attachments:

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>>  http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg

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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117865#117865

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

Roger, I do not believe you are anything but a nice guy.  On the other

hand, I have no interest at all in reading about your political point of

view, foreign or domestic.  



This list is a place to talk about airplanes, and not one designed to

exercise your rights to free speech.  Saying this does indeed make me a

hypocrite, because I have been guilty of the same mistake you are making

in the past.



But as they say, what goes around, comes around... So now it is my turn.

If you really just HAVE to discuss "oppressed people" then please write

to me personally and I will be glad to tell you about my life's

experience dealing with said members of society as a United States

Marine for 20 years starting in Vietnam.  Mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil  



Best Regards, 



Mark

   



 



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

Gotta start somewhere. Look at Wilbur and Orville.

Doc



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

Damnedddd...this thread is going unscorable at 6!

Doc



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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!

Time to sit back and watch this unravel! Let me get my popcorn first. 

Ok...



Carry on!

cpayne(at)joimail.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Yak-52 - Warbird!

The Yak-52 is used by nations where you won't find too many Conde Nast tour groups. Vietnam uses about 50 Yak-52's because the CJ is Chinese and shortly after our exit from 'Nam, the Chinese got their butts kicked in border skirmishes with Vietnam. Bad blood there. All of the Rambo films ran in China after that.

  

 BTW, I admit to oppress'n some folks in my life and feel real good about it :>)

  

  

 Craig Payne

 cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)

  

  

 

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Zjopa

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
Posts: 23
Location: Pacific Northwest

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!

I know people who were in Sukhumi in 1992... It wasn't funny for them.

It's a real place.

My wife is from Sochi which is in Russia 20km from the Abkhazian border.

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