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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Fuel filters

All

  

 I have in OH-XRT original Purolator-filters as per  manual.

 During the very first flight (about 10 hrs) I had an engine quit situation  /fuel pressure

 was near 0 and that was at the height of 4000 ft - so no dramatic at all.  

 Switching reserve and fuel pump and Rotax was happy again. 

 Reason: the main filter was full of stuff which was sanding dust 

 (I sent the sample to the fuel lab). I had changed filters in every  two

 hours but that was not enough. I was happy about my dual filter  system.

  

 Some engine hours later the main filter was broken: Reason for  that unknown,

 maybe it was too tight or what so ever. I changed those glass filters to  the 

 original Rotax filters. Those filters are plastic, one piece, no  O-rings, 

 throw-away-when-dirt and no possible to assemble wrong way. 

 I do like them. You can be sure I was happy I have 

 extra fuel drainages below both seat pans. Just in case.

  

 Otherwise there would have been a fuel bath in the cockpit.

  

 Fly safe and dry...

  

 Raimo

 [quote]   ---

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Fuel filters

Raimo

the best filter imho is an Andair gascolator. Easy to check for 

contamination before every flight, which used to be routine.

I do not like the Purolator filters. Easily broken, easily assembled 

wrong and easily blocked by debrie.

Grahm



Raimo Toivio wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   All

  

 I have in OH-XRT original Purolator-filters as per manual.

 During the very first flight (about 10 hrs) I had an engine quit 

 situation /fuel pressure

 was near 0 and that was at the height of 4000 ft - so no dramatic at all.

 Switching reserve and fuel pump and Rotax was happy again.

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Fuel filters

I have never been clear on the difference (if any) between a filter and 

a gascolator...could someone please enlighten me?

Fred

On Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 04:27  PM, Graham Singleton wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>

 Raimo

 the best filter imho is an Andair gascolator. Easy to check for 

 contamination before every flight, which used to be routine.

 I do not like the Purolator filters. Easily broken, easily assembled 

 wrong and easily blocked by debrie.

 Grahm

 Raimo Toivio wrote:

> All

>  I have in OH-XRT original Purolator-filters as per manual.

> During the very first flight (about 10 hrs) I had an engine quit 

> situation /fuel pressure

> was near 0 and that was at the height of 4000 ft - so no dramatic at 

> all.

> Switching reserve and fuel pump and Rotax was happy again.

>

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: Fuel filters

If one uses the Andair gascolator, would it be redundant to install Mod 

33?

Fred

On Thursday, June 28, 2007, at 04:27  PM, Graham Singleton wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>

 Raimo

 the best filter imho is an Andair gascolator. Easy to check for 

 contamination before every flight, which used to be routine.

 I do not like the Purolator filters. Easily broken, easily assembled 

 wrong and easily blocked by debrie.

 Grahm

 Raimo Toivio wrote:

> All

>  I have in OH-XRT original Purolator-filters as per manual.

> During the very first flight (about 10 hrs) I had an engine quit 

> situation /fuel pressure

> was near 0 and that was at the height of 4000 ft - so no dramatic at 

> all.

> Switching reserve and fuel pump and Rotax was happy again.

>

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carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: Fuel filters

A gascolator has a water trap built into the bottom of the filter housing.



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terrys(at)cisco.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Hi Fred,



The glass filters supplied with our kit had had some reported problems,

plugging up with tank residue (swarf) and with cracks in the glass.  It

occurred to us that the glass filters would trap and hold tank residue

up against the filter material, plugging it up, with gravity helping to

hold it there.



The Andair gascolator, on the other hand, has a water trap at the bottom

of it and a fine mesh screen at the top.  Not only does water settle to

the bottom, but also particles heavier than gasoline.  We did a simple

test with fuel tank swarf, and found it was heavier than gas, and

settled to the bottom of the gascolator, where it can be drained out on

the next pre-flight check for water.  Please note that gravity helps

keep the particles out of the screen of a gascolator, unlike the glass

filters supplied with the kit.



Regards,

Terry Seaver

A135 / N135TD



--

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: Fuel filters

Thanks Terry,



As a consequence of previous posts which highlight the problems caused 

by swarf from the penetrations one makes in the tank(s), I've been 

particularly careful in this regard. For example, besides using the 

hole drill by drilling up into the tank which prevents most of the 

swarf from remaining inside, I've carefully peered into the tank thru 

the intake hole and the hole made for the Europa fuel gauge and located 

even the tiniest particles...then...using some reversed duct tape on 

the end of a small aluminum tube, I've found that I can pick them up 

with no trouble.  I found that the swarf particles were plainly visable 

against the smoothe tank bottom. When drilling for the intake and vent 

holes in the long ranger tank, I inserted a cut down 8 oz. paper cup 

with a bent wire handle thru the large filler hole and placed it under 

the holes which caught all of the swarf...again, use of the duct tape 

on a stick allowed me to remove particles down to the size of dust. Now 

I know we can only strive for perfection, but thanks to being alerted 

to swarf-in-fuel issues by all who've gone before me, I'm confident 

(knock on wood) that swarf will not be an issue for me when I finally 

get this puppy in the air.



Since I'm installing Mod 33, I'm tending toward installing line filters 

rather than a gascolator...and I appreciate your thoughts on the 

subject.



Fred



On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 09:31  AM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:



[quote] 

 <terrys(at)cisco.com>



 Hi Fred,



 The glass filters supplied with our kit had had some reported problems,

 plugging up with tank residue (swarf) and with cracks in the glass.  It

 occurred to us that the glass filters would trap and hold tank residue

 up against the filter material, plugging it up, with gravity helping to

 hold it there.



 The Andair gascolator, on the other hand, has a water trap at the 

 bottom

 of it and a fine mesh screen at the top.  Not only does water settle to

 the bottom, but also particles heavier than gasoline.  We did a simple

 test with fuel tank swarf, and found it was heavier than gas, and

 settled to the bottom of the gascolator, where it can be drained out on

 the next pre-flight check for water.  Please note that gravity helps

 keep the particles out of the screen of a gascolator, unlike the glass

 filters supplied with the kit.



 Regards,

 Terry Seaver

 A135 / N135TD



 --

hagargs(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Fred:



No matter how good you clean your tank and system you can't clean it good

enough.  I spent days and days.  Soap, water. multiple flushes with

gasoline, compressed air,  vacuuming etc.  I felt  fat and happy also with

my process, nothing remotely visible or blowing around inside  the tank.

Several hours of  taxi and runup, compass swing time etc. before first

flight  The engine burbled on the go part on a touch and  go and the plane

ended up in a big mud puddle off the end of the runway just short of the

airport boundary and a 4 lane toroughfare. This  happened at about 4 hours 

flight time.



Solution:  2 BIG disposable automotive fuel filters downstream of your fuel

selector valve. Throw  them away before first flight.  Fly 2 hours with new

ones.  Then go for 10.  Then you can make  believe you are on top of  the

situation.  You can get Fram's at discount stores for about 8 bucks each.

They are about 2 inches in diameter and 4  inches or so long, so there is

plenty of surface area inside.



Steve Hagar

A143

Mesa AZ

[quote] [Oyou can'triginal Message]

 From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>

 To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 6/29/2007 1:58:41 PM

 Subject: Re: Fuel filters



 



 Thanks Terry,



 As a consequence of previous posts which highlight the problems caused 

 by swarf from the penetrations one makes in the tank(s), I've been 

 particularly careful in this regard. For example, besides using the 

 hole drill by drilling up into the tank which prevents most of the 

 swarf from remaining inside, I've carefully peered into the tank thru 

 the intake hole and the hole made for the Europa fuel gauge and located 

 even the tiniest particles...then...using some reversed duct tape on 

 the end of a small aluminum tube, I've found that I can pick them up 

 with no trouble.  I found that the swarf particles were plainly visable 

 against the smoothe tank bottom. When drilling for the intake and vent 

 holes in the long ranger tank, I inserted a cut down 8 oz. paper cup 

 with a bent wire handle thru the large filler hole and placed it under 

 the holes which caught all of the swarf...again, use of the duct tape 

 on a stick allowed me to remove particles down to the size of dust. Now 

 I know we can only strive for perfection, but thanks to being alerted 

 to swarf-in-fuel issues by all who've gone before me, I'm confident 

 (knock on wood) that swarf will not be an issue for me when I finally 

 get this puppy in the air.



 Since I'm installing Mod 33, I'm tending toward installing line filters 

 rather than a gascolator...and I appreciate your thoughts on the 

 subject.



 Fred



 On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 09:31  AM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:



 > 

 > <terrys(at)cisco.com>

 >

 > Hi Fred,

 >

 > The glass filters supplied with our kit had had some reported problems,

 > plugging up with tank residue (swarf) and with cracks in the glass.  It

 > occurred to us that the glass filters would trap and hold tank residue

 > up against the filter material, plugging it up, with gravity helping to

 > hold it there.

 >

 > The Andair gascolator, on the other hand, has a water trap at the 

 > bottom

 > of it and a fine mesh screen at the top.  Not only does water settle to

 > the bottom, but also particles heavier than gasoline.  We did a simple

 > test with fuel tank swarf, and found it was heavier than gas, and

 > settled to the bottom of the gascolator, where it can be drained out on

 > the next pre-flight check for water.  Please note that gravity helps

 > keep the particles out of the screen of a gascolator, unlike the glass

 > filters supplied with the kit.

 >

 > Regards,

 > Terry Seaver

 > A135 / N135TD

 >

 > --

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Steve...thanks so much for staying on this topic...everytime I reread 

my original post, it sounds cockier and cockier, much to my chagrin. I 

take it that your "burble" was found to have been caused by tank debris 

(?).

Do you still have the Europa filters upstream of the selector? Could 

you explain your reasoning for putting the Frams downstream of the 

selector?



Fred



On Monday, July 2, 2007, at 07:19  AM, Steve Hagar wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <hagargs(at)earthlink.net>




	


 	  Quote: 	
		   No matter how good you clean your tank and system you can't clean it 

 good

 enough.  I spent days and days.  Soap, water. multiple flushes with

 gasoline, compressed air,  vacuuming etc.  I felt  fat and happy also 

 with

 my process, nothing remotely visible or blowing around inside  the 

 tank.

 Several hours of  taxi and runup, compass swing time etc. before first

 flight  The engine burbled on the go part on a touch and  go and the 

 plane

 ended up in a big mud puddle off the end of the runway just short of 

 the

 airport boundary and a 4 lane toroughfare. This  happened at about 4 

 hours

 flight time.



 Solution:  2 BIG disposable automotive fuel filters downstream of your 

 fuel

 selector valve. Throw  them away before first flight.  Fly 2 hours 

 with new

 ones.  Then go for 10.  Then you can make  believe you are on top of  

 the

 situation.  You can get Fram's at discount stores for about 8 bucks 

 each.

 They are about 2 inches in diameter and 4  inches or so long, so there 

 is

 plenty of surface area inside.



 Steve Hagar

 A143

 Mesa AZ

topglock(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Fred, Steve and all,

 

 My experience was slightly different.  I used standard auto filters for engine run in and first flight.  Tossed them after first hour in the air.  Next set was a duplicate of the first.  Tossed them after 5 hours.  thire set was the same.  Replaced them with Europa units at 25 hours.  Never had a fuel starvation problem, though the first couple of sets did show some mild restriction.  Here's the kicker, after cutting the tank holes, using a standard hole saw, I used compressed air to blow out the tank and that was it.  Never experienced any swarf problem.  Go figure...

 

 Jeff - Baby Blue

 299 hours and going to put #300 on it today, before trailering her home for her 2nd annual.  How times flies (forgive the pun)...

 

 Steve Hagar wrote: [quote]   [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs(at)earthlink.net> (hagargs(at)earthlink.net)



Fred:



No matter how good you clean your tank and system you can't clean it good

enough.  I spent days and days.  Soap, water. multiple flushes with

gasoline, compressed air,  vacuuming etc.  I felt  fat and happy also with

my process, nothing remotely visible or blowing around inside  the tank.

Several hours of  taxi and runup, compass swing time etc. before first

flight  The engine burbled on the go part on a touch and  go and the plane

ended up in a big mud puddle off the end of the runway just short of the

airport boundary and a 4 lane toroughfare. This  happened at about 4 hours 

flight time.



Solution:  2 BIG disposable automotive fuel filters downstream of your fuel

selector valve. Throw  them away before first flight.  Fly 2 hours with new

ones.  Then go for 10.  Then you can make  believe you are on top of  the

situation.  You can get Fram's at discount stores for about 8 bucks each.

They are about 2 inches in diameter and 4  inches or so long, so there is

plenty of surface area inside.



Steve Hagar

A143

Mesa AZ

       [quote][Oyou can'triginal Message]

From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)

To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com> (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: 6/29/2007 1:58:41 PM

Subject: Re: Fuel filters



--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)



Thanks Terry,



As a consequence of previous posts which highlight the problems caused 

by swarf from the penetrations one makes in the tank(s), I've been 

particularly careful in this regard. For example, besides using the 

hole drill by drilling up into the tank which prevents most of the 

swarf from remaining inside, I've carefully peered into the tank thru 

the intake hole and the hole made for the Europa fuel gauge and located 

even the tiniest particles...then...using some reversed duct tape on 

the end of a small aluminum tube, I've found that I can pick them up 

with no trouble.  I found that the swarf particles were plainly visable 

against the smoothe tank bottom. When drilling for the intake and vent 

holes in the long ranger tank, I inserted a cut down 8 oz. paper cup 

with a bent wire handle thru the large filler hole and placed it under 

the holes which caught all of the swarf...again, use of the duct tape 

on a stick allowed me to remove particles down to the size of dust. Now 

I know we can only strive for perfection, but thanks to being alerted 

to swarf-in-fuel issues by all who've gone before me, I'm confident 

(knock on wood) that swarf will not be an issue for me when I finally 

get this puppy in the air.



Since I'm installing Mod 33, I'm tending toward installing line filters 

rather than a gascolator...and I appreciate your thoughts on the 

subject.



Fred



On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 09:31  AM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:



           [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)"  <terrys(at)cisco.com> (terrys(at)cisco.com)  Hi Fred,  The glass filters supplied with our kit had had some reported problems, plugging up with tank residue (swarf) and with cracks in the glass.  It occurred to us that the glass filters would trap and hold tank residue up against the filter material, plugging it up, with gravity helping to hold it there.  The Andair gascolator, on the other hand, has a water trap at the  bottom of it and a fine mesh screen at the top.  Not only does water settle to the bottom, but also particles heavier than gasoline.  We did a simple test with fuel tank swarf, and found it was heavier than gas, and settled to the bottom of the gascolator, where it can be drained out on the next pre-flight check for water.  Please note that gravity helps keep the particles out of the screen of a gascolator, unlike the glass filters supplied with the kit.  Regards, Terry Seaver A135 / N135TD  --

steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Fred,

The purolator filters do work and it is worth sticking with them.

I had exactly the problems recorded elsewhere on the list and having read 

about the issue before first flight I ensured that I bought a stack of 

refills before we got going. Yes the filters clogged in the test flying 

despite all the preflight flushing I had done.

Over the first 25 hours the filters got cleaner and cleaner (or at least did 

not clog as quickly). Now upto 50 hours and I have replaced the filters 

again but only for sense rather than as they were blocked. I had used the 

same filters for the last 15 hours without a problem.

My Test Pilot advised to keep the reserve filter unused (don't taxi with the 

reserve line on, as per the manual)  and then you know you have a clean 

source of fuel if needed. I have only once had to change to the reserve and 

that was in the first 10 hours when the debris was still being removed.

I hope this helps.

Regards

Steve Pitt

G-SMDH

josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: Fuel filters

There has been written a lot, and there has been fuel starvation maybe even more. So it's difficult not to start repeating the same writeups and mistakes. The tank material is very static. I saw a dog hair jumping to it over 10 cm. Compressed air will make it more static. Nev told me to use washing machine soap, and i rinsed with that. I went for an Andair 325 gascolator, for several reasons: The filter surface is huge, the larger parts will sink in the bowl and not clog precious filter surface, the filter has quite a different colour then swarf from the tank. 



I've filled the tank for 95%, driven the plane on the trailer for 400 miles (up and down to the painter,not just for filter testing:-)) with a fuel pump running (914, no restrictor) in which 480 liters or 7xtimes the contents of the tank have passed the filter. 4 hrs engine run and taxiing. Checked the filter. The filter surface was 95 % free. Hardly any tank swarf, some rust particles, some unrecognised stuff and one dog hair. Now that test flights may begin, i will swap the filter again after every hour of flight for the first 10 hours! Better be warned then sorry or how was that saying again?.



Regards,



Jos

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: Fuel filters

It seems that this is an area where gascolators  score over fuel filters. Our gascolator is a cheap aviation kit type filter with  a metal bowl and drain valve at the bottom. The fine gauze filter is a flat mesh  circle in the top of the unit. The fuel enters through the bottom of the chamber  and leaves through the top.

  

 Before every flight a fuel sample is  drained from the gascolator using a standard fuel test tube/ screwdriver. There  is usually a small amount of debry in the sample but never very much. If  necessary several samples are taken to flush out excessive deposits but this is  rarely the case.

  

 In the first year the gascolator was dismantled  about every ten hours and the gauze filter was found to be dirty but never  clogged. It would seem that most of the muck is drained off and never makes it  to the filter.

  

 One precaution we have always taken is to filter  the fuel into the fuel tank using a proprietary filter/ water trap funnel (anti  static too).

  

 Another thing which may have lessened the dirt  problem is that we pre filled the tank prior to installation in the aircraft  because the early tanks swelled and caused problems. If there was any debry due  to manufacture this would have been removed when the tank was  drained.

  

 Carl Pattinson

 G-LABS

 [quote]   ---

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: Fuel filters

On Sunday, July 1, 2007, at 09:17  AM, Carl Pattinson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Our gascolator is a cheap aviation kit type filter with a metal bowl 

 and drain valve at the bottom. The fine gauze filter is a flat mesh 

 circle in the top of the unit. The fuel enters through the bottom of 

 the chamber and leaves through the top.


	


Carl,



I note in Acft. Spruce Cat. that the only "aviation kit type filter" is 

not recommended for auto fuel; do you recall the name brand and model # 

of what you're using?



Fred

carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Sorry, but I dont think it was branded - I bought  it from a company called Skycraft here in the UK. I just looked in the 2003-2004  Spruce catalog and there is an ACS Gascolator (Homebuilders Special). Ours looks  identical including the mounting bracket. And YES its the one that says not for  use with auto fuel !!!!

  

 All I can say is that we use exclusively automotive  unleaded fuel in ours and have done so for 5 years with no problems. We cant/  dont use leaded or 100LL because the oil we use in our Rotax 912UL is fully  synthetic.

  

 One thing we would suggest is the fitment of a  fuel pressure guage, preferably with an electronic warning if the pressure falls  below 2psi. That will give you an early warning if your filters are clogging up.  Ours is wired into the auxilliary input of the EIS.

  

 Its a tricky one - dont know why they say dont use  with auto fuel - dosent make sense. I guess you will have to ask  them.

 [quote]   ---

carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Fuel filters

OK - it would seem that Auto Fuel attacks the  rubber seal in that particular unit.

  

 Now that you come to mention it there is a degree  of swelling in the gasket each time we dismantle it (about once a year) but we  have never had any problem reassembling the unit and there is no  evidence of deterioration - nor does it leak.

  

 I can only assume that some brands of auto fuel  contain additives which attack the rubber.

  

 I would have thought the simple answer would be to  replace the gasket with cork or auto gasket material - which one would assume is  resistant.

  

 Anyway, why dont they make gaskets that  are fuel resistant - its not rocket science.

 [quote]   ---

carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: Fuel filters

And here would seem is the evidence "28 gallons of  fuel on the hangar floor"

  

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115677&sid=e58bbc9d41573515c9bc20686e9000ff

  

 But as I said before "why dont they make the  gaskets from fuel resistant material".

 [quote]   ---

carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Possibly more of a worry is the gasket leaking and  allowing air to be sucked into the fuel system and cause fuel  starvation.

  

 Still I guess that if the aircraft isnt leaking  fuel all over the hangar floor it is reasonable to assume the fuel system is  airtight.

  

 Perhaps they use different fuel additives here in  the UK.

 [quote]   ---

cptimm(at)telus.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Fuel filters

on 07/7/1 10:37 AM, Fred Klein at fklein(at)orcasonline.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 On Sunday, July 1, 2007, at 09:17  AM, Carl Pattinson wrote:

 

> Our gascolator is a cheap aviation kit type filter with a metal bowl

> and drain valve at the bottom. The fine gauze filter is a flat mesh

> circle in the top of the unit. The fuel enters through the bottom of

> the chamber and leaves through the top.

 

 Carl,

 

 I note in Acft. Spruce Cat. that the only "aviation kit type filter" is

 not recommended for auto fuel; do you recall the name brand and model #

 of what you're using?

 

 Fred


	


Fred,



I have used that same Aircraft Spruce filter for 340 hours. Just made my own

top gasket, to replace the original one.



Peter Timm

carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: Fuel filters

Hi Peter,



What is your gasket made from?



In ignorance we have been flying around with a "suspect" gasket and no ill 

effects so far (5 years and 150hrs). Can any one with an understanding of 

fuel composition/ additives cast any light on the matter. I always thought 

that Petrol was - well petrol (or gasoline if you prefer). Diesel on the 

other hand attacks all sorts of synthetic meterials and rubbers - including 

the paintwork on some cars.



I really cant understand why a gacolator supplied for kit use is so labelled 

"not for use with auto fuel".



Why cant they supply a suitable gasket in the first place - its totally 

crazy!



Carl Pattinson



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Fred,



 I have used that same Aircraft Spruce filter for 340 hours. Just made my 

 own

 top gasket, to replace the original one.



 Peter Timm

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