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mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.CO
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 Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
Don
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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I talked with the folks at EAA a couple of weeks ago and it is true you can hire an instructor to teach you to fly or to become current (You must be the builder) but no one else, and that does not expire. The EAA site list over 600 instructors for a Sport Pilot Rating listed by state, it also has a column beside their name indicating whether they are willing to teach in an experimental aircraft. I have already spoke to a couple of them and they were reasonably priced at $40.00 per hour. In regards to your other question, I don't know the answer for sure but I thought I read somewhere you can get transitional training only.
Clyde Barcus
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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We can't just say experimental anymore because of the whole E-LSA/E-AB thing. Well we never really could because there are lots of different experimental subclasses.
As far as E-LSA they can be rented now until what ever that magic date is. Once that date comes you would have to get a waiver to rent it.
As for E-AB there is nothing in the rules to stop you from training in your own aircraft. Most of the E-AB helicopter industry is based on the ability to fly their kits after you solo but before you take the check ride.
If I'm wrong somebody tell me because I've already lined up an instructor to give me my IFR training in my 601XL after it's built and the hours are flown off. And be specific because neither he or I could find anything in the rules to say we couldn't.
| mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.CO wrote: | Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
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barcusc(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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I forgot the website for the EAA list of instructors for Sport Pilot training, it is: http://www.sportpilot.org/instructors/
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Nashville, TN
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john.marzulli(at)gmail.co
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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There is a system put in place by the FAA and run by the EAA that lets the owner of an EAB rent their plane for compensation specifically for the purpose of transition training.
The exemption can not be used for primary training.
Lots of info on the EAA's website ( you must be a member to access ) : http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/exemptions/training_faq.asp
On 8/17/07, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net (wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net (wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net)>
We can't just say experimental anymore because of the whole E-LSA/E-AB thing. Well we never really could because there are lots of different experimental subclasses.
As far as E-LSA they can be rented now until what ever that magic date is. Once that date comes you would have to get a waiver to rent it.
As for E-AB there is nothing in the rules to stop you from training in your own aircraft. Most of the E-AB helicopter industry is based on the ability to fly their kits after you solo but before you take the check ride.
If I'm wrong somebody tell me because I've already lined up an instructor to give me my IFR training in my 601XL after it's built and the hours are flown off. And be specific because neither he or I could find anything in the rules to say we couldn't.
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| Quote: | Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.
Don
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bjohnson(at)satx.rr.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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Don,
That's silly.... you absolutely may lend your friend your ex-ab plane to get his/her training in.... Under a special EAA exemption, you may also rent your experimental plane for the express purpose of transition training (as mentioned in a previous post).
In your parallel post, your are also a bit confused on the LSA regs... Not surprising since they are a bit confusing. They will be "slightly" less confusing at the end January.....
Up till then you MAY register your 601 as an E-LSA under the "grandfathering" regulations, although the true intent of that regulation was to register 2-seat and otherwise "FAT" Ultralights that could not meet the AB regs. The original language even includes the words "ultralight-Like", but I suppose that would be too hard to enforce.
After January, the only newly registered E-LSA's will come from manufacturers who choose to offer the planes that way and/or owners who choose to "downgrade" their S-LSA's.
Just to confuse you some more, no matter how your 601 is registered/airworthied, it WILL be an LSA.
-Bruce Johnson
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bryanmmartin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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As far as I know, you can recieve flight instruction in ANY properly certificated aircraft that you own regardless of what kind of certification it holds. As long as you can find an instructor willing to instruct in that airplane. There are restrictions on renting some types of aircraft but that's a seperate issue.
The 2010 deadline is for giving flight instruction for hire in an E-LSA owned by the flight instructor. After the deadline, a flight instructor can no longer get paid to give flight instruction in his E-LSA and can no longer rent out an E-LSA to his students.
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| Quote: | | Experimental aircraft are for the pilots enjoyment and education. You can't rent an experimental aircraft period. As the way I have read the regs, I can't even let my friend use my plane to get his license, even if I don't charge him rent. I think I can use my own personal experimental to get my license but that expires 2010. Anyone read the reg differently, I hope I am wrong.Don |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Renting an experimental aircraft |
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I think there is one instance where you can rent an E-AB. You must apply to the FAA and be very specific, but you can rent for transition training to someone who is building a plane like yours. You can't rent for primary train, to advance a rating or anything else, only transition training. I'm assuming that for something like a ch601, the FAA wouldn't allow it since the same plane can be rented as an SLSA.
The 2010 date is for ELSA, a completely different beast from an E-AB. Ron Wanttaja's book "Kit Airplane Construction" has an excellent explanation of the the different categories of Experimentals. Look in the library or your local Boarders.
Ron
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