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mosquito56

Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 77
Location: Laredo, Tx

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Electronics

I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl.

   Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you have a power out situation. 

    Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone?

    I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind.

   Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Don

N601NV (Reserved)

601xl finishing wings

South Texas

heliav8r(at)swbell.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Electronics

If VFR you won't need backups for anything.  If you go IFR, depending upon 

the equipment and your fear factor, you might want backups.



Samm Munn

CH-601XL(plans)

Corvair

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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Electronics

"Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the

electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the

dangers if you have a power out situation. "



Don,

	Just two things to get this started:  First, by and large the 601

and 701 are VFR airplanes.  Redundancy is usually a concern associated with

IFR craft.  In the case of the Dynon EFIS, I bought the backup battery that

is inside the EFIS case.  In ground based testing, the EFIS keeps on going

even when all power is removed.  According to Dynon, it should run on the

backup battery for 90 minutes.  That should be enough time to get on the

ground to sort things out.



      Jeff Davidson

	CH 601 HD/3300A & all glass panel

	First flight real soon now ....

mosquito56

Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 77
Location: Laredo, Tx

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electronics

Thanks, that is good to know I don't have to worry much about backups? What about night flight? I am installing dual landing lights?



Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts?



Don

amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Electronics

if you have a battery Lypo  back up like in the Dynon, no need for back ups.



Juan



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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: Electronics

www.sensornetics.com the cheapest and nicest panel we sell, cost for

value wise. I have two installed in my 701. For the 601 I had installed

a Dynon and I am very happy with that unit.



Mark Townsend

Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.

president(at)can-zacaviation.com

www.can-zacaviation.com 



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GLJSOJ1

Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 82
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: Electronics

FOR GYRO INSTRUMENT CHECK OUT AIRCRAFT SPRUCE.  I AM USING A DYNON ONLY FOR FLIGHT INSTRUMENTS, ENGINE USES STEAM GUAGES

 GLENN

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 From: mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.COM

 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:12:57 -0700

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 --> Zenith-List message posted by: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com>

 I have only been on this forum for a few months and have searched the archives but still have a few questions concerning instruments for the 601xl.

 Efis versus standard instruments. I have been reading alot on the electrics page about using solid electrics for flight instruments and the dangers if you have a power out situation. 

 Most of the info here seems to be use the efis with gyro backups. If I have gyro instruments why do I want an efis, speaking in a cost effective tone?

 I can't seem to get any info on where I can buy gyro instruments. I don't wany anything used. A standard 6 pack is what I have in mind.

 Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

 Don

 N601NV (Reserved)

 601xl finishing wings

 South Texas

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japhillipsga(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: Electronics

Glenn, which Dynon are you using ? I'm building an RV-8a and nearing the selection of instrument phase. Thanks, Bill of Georgia

 

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: Electronics

Don't forget MGL's Stratomaster line of glass panels:



http://www.mglavionics.co.za/

www.stratomaster.com



Enigma, Odyssey and Voyager (5 inch, 10 inch and 7 inch screens,

respectively) all support external back-up batteries.



-- Craig

jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Electronics

do not archive



I will have the Sensornetics DVD to view at the Mid-Atlantic Zenith Gathering this weekend if you would like to see it.

Jeff Davidson



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: Electronics

While we're at it, builders should consider the AF-3400 and AF-3500 units from Advanced Flight Systems. The 3400 has a 6.5" diagonal screen, the 3500 has an 8.4 " diagonal screen. Both are available as an EFIS unit, an EIS unit or as a combo. When two units are installed, they are combine-able and swap-able via ethernet link. Both offer internal battery backup and they datalog to an SD card accessible in the panel face of the units.No need for a laptop in the right seat.



Dred

Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Electronics

Your own words Don

"Also, the efis is about $6000 dyon10 with all the bells and whistles, But the jabiru site shows an instrument panel for around $2000. THoughts? "



If you price ANY basic dynon unit (except D180) it's ALSO about $2000. Bells and whistles will crank up anyone's price. I bought the D180 combined EFIS/enigine monitoring system plus a full Rotax accessory package, battery backup, pitot tube, remote compass,mounting gizmo's, the works, for $4180. Not trying to sell Dynon here. Most of the competition looks good. I almost bought the Inigma.....Geoff

japhillipsga(at)AOL.COM
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: Electronics

Geoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Bill

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engineerguy3737(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: Electronics

Bill,

    The D180 will handle changes of up to 150deg per second in pitch roll and yaw ( This is the same for ALL of the non certified EFIS units currently on the market since we all use the same gyros ). The unit your friend has to be talking about is the original D10 ( not to be confused with the modern D10a. ) If you really want to see the responsiveness I suggest coming to visit us at an airshow or finding someone who has a Dynon already installed. (Should be pretty easy to do) I believe you will find the D180 more than adequate for all but the most aggressive maneuvers. If you do manage to saturate the Gyros, it takes only a few seconds (3) of straight and level flight for them to auto erect.  During this time, the EFIS will do its best to provide an accurate attitude display.

The D180 is very easy to read at 4ft. If you call our office I'm sure we could send you a panel mock up.



I hope this is helpful.



Dan Lykowski

Dynon Avionics

601xl Builder with Corvair



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Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Electronics

Bill, I can't comment on performance as I have not hooked it up yet. I was shocked when I took it out of the box and pressed a button and it came to life. I had forgotten about the installed battery backup. I can say that I was impressed with the clarity and brightness. Also, it looks big enough for me. I am considering a few smaller than normal backups. Tach, oil pressure...Geoff

VideoFlyer(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: Electronics

<<, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My  concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and the eyeball to panel  distance is almost four feet. I>>>>

  

 Four feet sounds like LOT!   You could never reach it without  getting out of your seat!

  

 Dave



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japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: Electronics

Dan, thanks for the info. I'm sure the 180 would handle my "airline pilot" style of flying, but I might break lose and get weird again. I would be thrilled to have a mock up just to be sure I can see it while seated in the 8a. What number should I call to beg for one ? Also, how is your XL coming along ? I finished mine a couple years ago and fly most every weekend. If I can be of any help please don't hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Bill

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engineerguy3737(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Electronics

Bill,

    I think you would be surprised at how well the D180 will handle you getting 'weird'.



    Dynon's  phone number is: (425) 402-0433.

    The diagrams are also available on our website.

    www.dynonavionics.com



    I've finished my tail kit, and I have dissassembled/cleaned my engine. My wings will be here on the 26th of September. I ordered all of the options so I had to hide the checkbook from the wife for a few weeks. 

    Thanks for the offer for help!



Dan Lykowski

Dynon Avionics

601xl Builder with  Corvair



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gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: Electronics

Bill--

  I'm flying the 601xl with the D100 as my main flight instruments and the D180 mounted on the passenger side for my engine instrumentation and EFIS backup.  No problem seeing any of the instrument reading of the D180 from the pilot seat, either with or without split screen.

  

 George May

 601XL 912s  150hrs

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Subject: Re: Re: Electronics

Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:21:21 -0400

From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com



Geoff, I am interested in the D180 for the RV-8a I'm building. My concerns are is it really big enough to see. I measured and the eyeball to panel distance is almost four feet. I don't want to be squinting trying to see some little light bar so far away they all run together. Also, a friend of mine said the 180 won't keep up with a plane doing anything other than "airliner type" flying. That it is too slow and is always trying to catch up ? I just have not had the opportunity to talk to anyone actually using the unit and before I pay Mr. Dynon a bunch of money I hope to know it'll fit me. Do you have any backup steam gages and such as back up? Thanks and best regards, Bill

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: Electronics

no steamers on mine, just the dynons, with Back up batteries.



Juan



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