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sales(at)billandruth.net
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Lightning builders

Hi All,

 

 I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs.  The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled.  Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well.  I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations.  This would save some phone calls to Arion.

 

 So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:

 

 1.  Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables.  Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to  locate them accurately as well.

 

 2.  The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly.  The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does.

 

 Bill in Tucson, Kit #49

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landonp(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: Lightning builders

Hi Bill

  

 I am one of the Not crowd and I agree with what you  state (detail is missing), But have found that on the chat sight for Arion you  can get an answer from fellow builders very quick. If stuck send me an E mail  and I will assist where I can.

  

 Bruce & Colleen in  Australia   #31

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sttwig

Joined: 26 Aug 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Yakima, WA

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: Lightning builders

Bill,  

   

I received Lightning #48 about a week after you received yours.  It was the other one that was in the truck when yours was delivered.  I want to echo your comments.  There is not another Lightning within 1500 miles of where I am endeavoring to build mine.  I can’t go look at one to see how they did this or that.  I perceive in looking at the parts I have received and reading the builders’ manual that there is a lot left to intuition and personal research.  In addition to the support of Arion, I am relying on the willingness of other builders to share their experiences.  My observations in reading this list for the last few months indicates that we won’t be let down.  There seems to be a camaraderie of Lightning owners and builders who enjoy sharing what they have learned with others.  

   

It appears that you have had a little more time to work on your project than I have, but I’m right behind you.  I hope that I will one day be able to contribute what I have learned to those who come behind me.  

   

Steve in Washington State, kit #48.  

         

  

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Lightning builders  

  

   

Hi All,

 

 I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs.  The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled.  Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well.  I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations.  This would save some phone calls to Arion.

 

 So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:

 

 1.  Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables.  Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to  locate them accurately as well.

 

 2.  The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly.  The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does.

 

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Colin K.

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 157
Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: Lightning builders

Mark  S. or Nic,

  

 Are  there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder  and harness cables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead  ?

  

 Colin  K.

 Ok

 (Kit  on order. deposit paid! 

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From:    owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38    AM

To:    lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Lightning    builders

   

    

Hi All,



I'd like to get the names and Email    addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs.     The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are    installed and or assembled.  Dimensional values and reference points are,    at times, hard to comprehend as well.  I believe this special group of    builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in    like situations.  This would save some phone calls to Arion.



So    far in my build I have had the following issues to contend    with:



1.  Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with    elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and    harness cables.  Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut    these holes with a hole saw and to  locate them accurately as    well.



2.  The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a    slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior    to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where    they are located in this assembly.  The builder manual says that the long    pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the    picture they provide clearly shows that it does.



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mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: Lightning builders

Colin and all,  

   

Unfortunately Bill’s kit was an anomaly (or I guess fortunately depending on how you look at it). Of the 12 or 13 I’ve helped build in Shelbyville all of them had these holes cut out. We’ve talked to Custom Fiberglass about this problem and they’re working hard to make sure it doesn’t happen again.  

   

We appreciate the feedback and are striving to make the kit and manual better and better.  

   

Mark   

       

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J. Kennedy

 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:18 PM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Lightning builders  

  

  

     

Mark S. or Nic,  

    

   

    

Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder and harness cables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ?  

    

   

    

Colin K.  

    

Ok  

    

(Kit on order. deposit paid!   

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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Lightning builders  

   

Hi All,

 

 I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs.  The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled.  Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well.  I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations.  This would save some phone calls to Arion.

 

 So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:

 

 1.  Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables.  Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to  locate them accurately as well.

 

 2.  The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly.  The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does.

 

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Colin K.

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 157
Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Lightning builders

Great  (or not depending). Thanks Mark.

  

 This  sort of prompt response builds goodwill and confidence in  Arion!

  

 Colin  K.

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vettin74(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: Lightning builders

Colin..the cut outs are suppose to be there...i think we may have to check up with the fiberglass shop....

   

  nick



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  Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder and harness cables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ?

   

  Colin K.

  Ok

  (Kit on order. deposit paid! 

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  From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Lightning builders



   

  Hi All,



I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs.  The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled.  Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well.  I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations.  This would save some phone calls to Arion.



So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:



1.  Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables.  Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to  locate them accurately as well.



2.  The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of  how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly.  The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does.



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Colin K.

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 157
Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: Lightning builders

Thanks Nick. I got the same answer from Mark and he was going to follow up.



Colin K.

OK

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   Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder and harness cables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ?

    

   Colin K.

   Ok

   (Kit on order. deposit paid! 

     

     

      

       

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   From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Lightning builders

 

    

   Hi All,

 

 I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs.  The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled.  Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well.  I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations.  This would save some phone calls to Arion.

 

 So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:

 

 1.  Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables.  Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to  locate them accurately as well.

 

 2.  The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly.  The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does.

 

 Bill in Tucson, Kit #49

   

  

 

   

  

 

   

 

 

   

 

 

   

 

 

   

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