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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Firestar Project

At 08:19 AM 4/14/2008, Michael Sharp wrote:

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		  Well,



I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer too...


	


Well... me too.  I just don't often bring either one to the airport... 



-Dana



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R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Firestar Project

On the age thing...

I started building my Firestar when I was 25.  Finished it when 32 and still flying it at 41.  I hope to still be flying it when I am 60.

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Firestar Project

Roger ,A kxp with a 503 aint that a great combo .Mine was a 1990  I  finished it in 92 and flew it for 10 years ! a short ground roll and then straight up what a joy . Wish I still had her. Chris  



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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: Firestar Project

At 53 ,both women and beer still have there attractions. I still find  time to fit some Kolbing in as well. Not as much as I would like ,but thats  maybe too much beer and women.Or old cars and motor cycles . Life has to  have its ballances 

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		     From:    Michael    Sharp (kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com) 

   To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:19    AM

   Subject: Re: Firestar    Project

   



   Well,

    

   I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer too...

    

   HMMMMM   

    

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Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)>    wrote:

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At      09:40 PM 4/13/2008, robert bean wrote:



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		  An "old guy"? hmmmm, is      there any other kind of Kolb owner? -Or

flyer for that      matter.

It doesn't look good for the sport when everyone is      60+

It can't solely be a matter of affordability because I see lots      of

$6000+ snowmobiles,

4 wheelers, not to mention those      ridiculous $$$$$$ boats.


	


This comes up regularly on the PPG forums...      you'd think that would be a 

young person's sport, but the average      participant is 40-60. It's because  	  Quote: 	
		  



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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Firestar Project

I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer  too..>>

  

 Hi,

 I shall be 79 in August and I still like women and  beer.  Trouble is , I can remember what  you do with beer  but....

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat.

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MKIIIX040

Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 123
Location: Millinocket, Maine

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Firestar Project

Pat, first you put the beer in the woman. The rest  comes much easier.

   

  

 Vic

 Maine

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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Firestar project

At 04:53 PM 4/11/08 -0400, you wrote:

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 Jack,

I would think with the longer wing, Bills Firestar will meet the math 

requirments of 103.  Also, a Firestar fuselage is probably a little wider 

than a Fireflys?

With a 447 and also meeting the weight and fuel limits, who would bother 

with the equations?




	


Denny,



If Bill wants to attend a fly-in that includes an air show, there is a 

possibility of being ramp checked.  In the past this was not much of a 

problem, because there were so many little small planes showing up without N 

numbers.  But this year it will be much different and non N numbered 

aircraft are really stick out.  If you claim to fly an aircraft that is 

103-7 compliant, it is up to you to prove it.  This is why Appendix 1,2,3 & 

4 are so important.  If one fills these out they are considered sufficient 

proof for compliance.



If on the other hand, Bill is not going to fly it into a controlled airport 

that is sponsoring an air show event, he could get by as do many others.  

But since he is making the effort to meet the weight and fuel requirements, 

I assumed his goal was for full compliance.



In terms of fuselage width, I have not measured but I believe the FireFly 

fuselage width may be greater than that of a FireStar.  This was done to 

meet FAA requirements for ultra light vehicle design to ensure a slow speed 

dragy design.  With the larger wing span or lower wing loading, Bill should 

have no trouble meeting the stall limit.  But with lighter wing loading, a 

full enclosure, and a single wing lift strut, he may find it difficult to 

remain maximum speed compliant.  The drag numbers will be too low and the 

447 will be too powerful.  There are ways around this.  First remove the 

full enclosure to increase the drag.  Also, one could add a false lift 

strut, and/or one could move to a lower hp engine.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Firestar Project

At 11:23 AM 4/14/08 -0700, you wrote:

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On the age thing...

I started building my Firestar when I was 25.  Finished it when 32 and 

still flying it at 41.  I hope to still be flying it when I am 60.
	


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Roger,



Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Firestar Project

Its called FAA and the ever more militaristic nature of how things are conducted in aviation nowadays. More and more autocratic, who in the world wants to put up with regulations upon regulations, restrictions everywhere. 90% of which are meaningless but if you are caught up in something as innocuous as  it can be there will be a regulation that will punish you. Ever walk into a flight school in recent times, everyone is somber and serious, the FAA has succeeded in making all of us behave like they are in their official capacity. Fooling around is discouraged or penalized, as some jerk will find some reg with which to screw you or worst yet your buddy will in great haste point out to you the regulation that you didn't follow in his interpretation. Then there is the ever increasing cost and schedule. None of that is found in an ATV take it out and play all you want. I am sure the day will come that the ever bigger government will come and start restricting our freedom there to

 o.

If we don't constantly fight for freedom it will be taken away from us. 

See the less freedom we have the more freedom the government has to do what they want to us. 

Ron (TxAz)

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---- robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> wrote: 

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An "old guy"?  hmmmm, is there any other kind of Kolb owner?  -Or  

flyer for that matter.

It doesn't look good for the sport when everyone is 60+

It can't solely be a matter of affordability because I see lots of  

$6000+  snowmobiles,

4 wheelers, not to mention those ridiculous $$$$$$ boats.

BB

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On 13, Apr 2008, at 9:17 PM, Dana Hague wrote:

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 At 08:59 PM 4/13/2008, william sullivan wrote:

>   Dana- I asked about the source, but the guy I bought it from had  

> shared ownership with somebody else. When I asked him, he said the  

> other guy might know and I didn't follow through. I think I'll e- 

> mail him.

 Hope you have better luck than I had.  Actually I know three owners  

 back for my plane, but the first guy I know (who bought it sometime  

 in the early 90's) doesn't remember the original owner's name, only  

 that he "was an old guy" and probably dead now.  Of course mine is  

 mostly stock so there aren't many questions.  Of the three owners I  

 know, only one ever flew it (and he only flew it a couple of  

 times), though some of their friends flew it occasionally.

 -Dana

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Firestar Project

> Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.

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 Jack B. Hart FF004


	




Jack H:



Me too!



Celebrated my 69th BD flying on the first day of Sun and Fun 2008.



I'm not quite as quick as I used to be, but the "desire" is still there.



It is very comforting to strap on the mkIII and fly.  Seems like all those 

old aches and pains, bum knees and ankle, go away, and I can enjoy the 

freedom of flying my Kolb.



john h

mkIII

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

a58r(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Firestar Project

I almost made it to 85, but think my last flight will be when I'm dumped out over the Blue Ridge mtns in a few months. 



 regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



 



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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Firestar Project

As long as you list women first and beer second you are young, when you list beer first and women second you gotten old.



Ron (TxAz)

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---- Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> wrote: 



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At 08:19 AM 4/14/2008, Michael Sharp wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Well,



I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer too...


	


Well... me too.  I just don't often bring either one to the airport... 



-Dana



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Gene Ledbetter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 20
Location: Cincinnati, OH

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Firestar Project

On Apr 15, 2008, at 2:17 PM, John Hauck wrote:

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 > Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.

>

> Jack B. Hart FF004

 Jack H:

 Me too!

 Celebrated my 69th BD flying on the first day of Sun and Fun 2008.

 john h

 mkIII

Jack and John,

Me Three!

I'm not that far from 80 and plan that I will still be taking the  

firefly out of the trailer and enjoying the scenery in SW Ohio when I  

reach that goal in 2010.

Gene Ledbetter

Firefly 370 hrs

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New 447
Brakes, Ivo

lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Firestar project

 	  Quote: 	

 At 04:53 PM 4/11/08 -0400, you wrote:

>

>With a 447 and also meeting the weight and fuel limits, who would bother

>with the equations?

 If you claim to fly an aircraft that is

 	  Quote: 	
		   103-7 compliant, it is up to you to prove it.  >

 But since he is making the effort to meet the weight and fuel 

 requirements,

 I assumed his goal was for full compliance.

 he may find it difficult to

 	  Quote: 	
		   remain maximum speed compliant.  The drag numbers will be too low and the

 447 will be too powerful.  There are ways around this.  First remove the

 full enclosure to increase the drag.  Also, one could add a false lift

 strut, and/or one could move to a lower hp engine.

Gang,

Quite frankly even with my distrust of all things Government, I find it 

amazing that anyone would purposefully "cripple" an airplane that meets 

weight and fuel limits so that they could fly slow enough to meet the speed 

requirements for "Ultralight". I know that "Paranoia is just a heightened 

sense of reality", but even this goes a bit beyond "anal retentive". Get a 

grip guys!

Larry C

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gaman(at)att.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Firestar Project

Just an observation,but how many ultra light pilots also ride motorcycles?Of the guys I fly with regularly,5 of 7.Ordered my Firestar when I was 60,in 1998,sold it this year cause the wife said  could only have one plane,keeping the MK-3.



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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Firestar Project

At 06:41 PM 4/15/2008, gary aman wrote:

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		  Just an observation,but how many ultra light pilots also ride 

motorcycles?Of the guys I fly with regularly,5 of 7...


	


After several crashes in my teen years I swore off anything with only two 

wheels and a motor... I'll stick to SAFER things like ultralights and 

antique airplanes!



-Dana



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Firestar Project

I almost made it to 85,>>

  

 C`mon Bob,

  

 we both have a birthday to celebrate in  August..

  

 Pat

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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: Firestar Project

I heard back from the previous owner of my Kolb. The builder was an old German-American guy who died a couple of years ago. Dead end on the history, unless you guys remember somebody. 

    Since selling me the Kolb, this guy bought a Buccanneer with a 503, and modified the retractable landing gear. Since January he has had 2 forced landings. One was an  engine out on take-off. The "B" box came apart, and the engine went overspeed. He was high enough to make it back to the airfield. This past weekend, he broke a Teleflex cable for the ailerons, and had to put it down in a farmer's field. He called his father, who brought tools. This was on Sunday, and they had to go to a marine supply to get the cable. The farmer was great- loaning tools, helpful, and amused. The plane was fixed after only 1 1/2 hours downtime. According to him, the Kolb with the 447 never quit, or broke. This is the guy who flies on luck.

    

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                                                       Bill Sullivan

                                                       FS/KX/447

                                                        Windsor Locks, Ct.

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a58r(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Firestar Project

List: sorry fer last msg to Pat....boxing gloves don't fit anymore.



bn



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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Firestar project

Larry- I think you missed something on some of the messages. To me, this is a mechanical challenge- a game, if you will. I am not worried about being caught out of spec. I came from the trucking business, and I am not impressed with rules and regulations. I don't have to worry about inspections, flying out of an unkown grass field and not going to airports. Ihave certain disabilities that prevent any extended flights. I always had to make things "heavy", so working on a Kolb is a delight. Jack Hart thinks like an engineer, working within certain parameters. I am having fun chasing him. I never had to think like this before. I wish I could travel, but even in a car I have to get out frequently to keep the back intact. To me, the basic current Kolb design is eminently suitable for modifications. You can make them lighter, shorter, streamlined, open cockpit, doors, control mods (Hi! Mike), shape wings and tail to suit your fancy, re-power easily, and you name  it. Or, like me, squeeze it down to fit the mission. It's a broad playing field, all on the same design. 

    While I have a great deal of respect and sympathy for law enforcement personnel, I cannot say the same for bureaucrats enforcing regulations. A lot of them are pure nonsense. For example, allowing 30 extra pounds for floats when a life jacket would do the same thing. As opposed to allowing 5 pounds for an enclosure to keep Jack from getting frostbite. I thought the object was to keep a certain amount of weight from falling on somebody's head? 

    Like I said, to each owner, the game is how you play it. Jack is also looking at an "off List" item I sent him, along the same lines.

   

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                                                          Bill Sullivan

                                                         FS/KX/447

                                                          Windsor Locks, Ct.

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