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Roger Lee
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If you are happy with just 100LL stop here. You won't like where this is going.
This effects us all even in other countries because one tends to follow the other at some point.
If you are tired of someone saying we can't have 91 octane, read on. It's time to pick a side and take 5 minutes to email. Our lives as people are good because someone didn't just say ok. Some took the time to make change and made it better for all of us. If we choose to sit on the sideline and just go along then we deserve what we get. I would implore all to take a minute and email these two people and any other fuel administrator in other companies. I will post on as many aviation websites as possible and I would you all to pick a side and stand up to be heard and maybe, just maybe we might effect change. I for one don't want to roll over. You are about to read a bulletin about the use of Chevron ground fuel verses aviation fuel. Then I have a response.
Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your own and be heard. Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them hear a nation wide voice.
Send your emails to:
LIMG(at)chevron.com
kayalbitz(at)chevron.com
or any other fuel company administrator.
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Roger Lee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Hi Everyone,
Every website I posted on and I sent the letters to Flight Design have people speaking up in support. I have received dozens of emails in support and that is just since last night.
One voice will dye, but thousands may be heard.
Everyone,
Don't sit ideally and complain. 1-2 minutes of your time is all anyone is asking. It's your future and your time to offer your hand in a worthwhile effort to help shape it. Do it for yourself if not for anyone else.
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Roger Lee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Swift Fuels Home:
Meet Our Team
Test Videos
Swift Renewable Fuels
Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels.
In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution.
Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications.
The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are:
Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications)
15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates)
20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel
15% more volumetric energy than 100LL
No need for stabilizers or additives
More Information
Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ
Copyright © 2008 Swift Enterprises.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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I was not aware that 100LL had been banned in the United States. Tomorrow, in a brazen act of civil disobedience, I plan to buy some 100LL and use it - in my "piston-fired aircraft" (because the preferred 93 octane mogas will be unavailable on the road).
If I get arrested, y'all please come visit me in the pokey, okay?
The way I figure it, if it has 15% more volumetric energy, it could deliver a 15% increase in range. Not "15-25%." Just 15%, period. Only by adding snake oil (synthesized from bio-mass, of course) can we get 25% more range from just 15% more energy. That, and lighting it off with airfoil-electrode spark plugs, of course.
Why do I have this hunch that Swift Renewable Fuels is headquartered in Nigeria?
-Stormy
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com (ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com (ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com)>
Swift Fuels Home:
Meet Our Team
Test Videos
Swift Renewable Fuels
Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels.
In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution.
Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications.
The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are:
Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications)
15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates)
20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel
15% more volumetric energy than 100LL
No need for stabilizers or additives
More Information
Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ
Copyright © 2008 Swift Enterprises.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197465#197465
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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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It is also starting to smell a lot like spam after the fourth or fifth
time posted to the RV-List
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Bill Boyd wrote:
| Quote: | I was not aware that 100LL had been banned in the United States.
Tomorrow, in a brazen act of civil disobedience, I plan to buy some
100LL and use it - in my "piston-fired aircraft" (because the
preferred 93 octane mogas will be unavailable on the road).
If I get arrested, y'all please come visit me in the pokey, okay?
The way I figure it, if it has 15% more volumetric energy, it could
deliver a 15% increase in range. Not "15-25%." Just 15%, period.
Only by adding snake oil (synthesized from bio-mass, of course) can we
get 25% more range from just 15% more energy. That, and lighting it
off with airfoil-electrode spark plugs, of course.
Why do I have this hunch that Swift Renewable Fuels is headquartered
in Nigeria?
-Stormy
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com
<mailto:ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>> wrote:
<mailto:ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>>
Swift Fuels Home:
Meet Our Team
Test Videos
Swift Renewable Fuels
Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels.
In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely
renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is
100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the
use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the
octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban
until 2010. Swift has this solution.
Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a
final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass.
This creation method is superior to the existing refining method
because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the
flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications.
The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are:
Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications)
15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates)
20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel
15% more volumetric energy than 100LL
No need for stabilizers or additives
More Information
Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ
Copyright © 2008 Swift Enterprises.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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Roger Lee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Hi Bill,
Spam!
Not hardly. Trying to educate people and hope they are willing to help themselves and their fellow aviators before you blink and it already past you by. Education and caring is a wide path.
This is the first negative comment I have had in hundreds of replies.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Consider us educated. No more posts needed.
RF
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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Actually Bill did not write that I did, poor job of editing on my part,
Still is spam
when it is posted over and over again.
Jerry
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Hi Bill,
Spam!
Not hardly. Trying to educate people and hope they are willing to help themselves and their fellow aviators before you blink and it already past you by. Education and caring is a wide path.
This is the first negative comment I have had in hundreds of replies.
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Rotax Service Center
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n395v
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Consider this your 2nd negative.
Do not archive.
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Roger Lee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Hi All,
For the people I have offend with our unique educational opportunity and for caring about my fellow pilots and the chance to help yourself, I am sorry. As for the no more post why did you open it if they bothered you.
Spam is the unsolicited advertising for financial gain.
It's a shame you feel education is spam in your life. I for one never stop learning or being educated.
Sorry to the few.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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I love education in my life and do not consider it spam. but slamming
a public email list or a group of public email lists is considered spam.
it has nothing to do with financial
gain. This is what a lot of sites consider spam.
"-Posting the same or similar message in more than one place in the
community is considered spamming and is not permitted-."
As to Swift Enterprises claim that 110LL well be gone in two year it
seems as if Shell does not see it that way, this is a quote from one of
their information
web sites.
"in summary, Aviation engines present many unique challenges to the
development of Avgas and as such there is yet no firm date to
replace Avgas 100LL, but there can be little doubt that eventually
Leaded Avgas will be withdrawn from use. However this does not seem
likely until suitable fully developed alternatives are available; a
situation that is likely to be several years into the future."
<http://www.shell.com/home/content/aviation-en/aeroshell_site/technical_articles/techartpages/techart12_30071515.html>
I am sure you really are only trying to educate us but maybe the best
way would be to put up a web site and
link to it in your signature.
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Roger Lee wrote:
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Hi All,
For the people I have offend with our unique educational opportunity and for caring about my fellow pilots and the chance to help yourself, I am sorry. As for the no more post why did you open it if they bothered you.
Spam is the unsolicited advertising for financial gain.
It's a shame you feel education is spam in your life. I for one never stop learning or being educated.
Sorry to the few.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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Roger Lee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Hey jsflyrv,
If I put up a website how would people know it was there or even what to look for and or when it was happening?
I guess a newspaper is considered spam under your definition or even the news on TV. The Internet is for just this very thing, mass public notification, research, education and communication.
You just can't help some people, even for free.
Sorry you feel this way, but you and one other RV'er are the only two out of thousands of aviators, corporations and the major aviation associations that had anything at all even slightly negative to say. I guess I just don't understand.
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Terry Watson
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Make that at least three. Some of us just deleted it and moved on before,
but now we are getting scolded for not seeing it your way. This is starting
to get old real fast.
Terry
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: 91 octane, time to be heard! |
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Actually my name is Jerry  jsflyrv is part of an email address, sorry
list I well leave this be now.
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Hey jsflyrv,
If I put up a website how would people know it was there or even what to look for and or when it was happening?
I guess a newspaper is considered spam under your definition or even the news on TV. The Internet is for just this very thing, mass public notification, research, education and communication.
You just can't help some people, even for free.
Sorry you feel this way, but you and one other RV'er are the only two out of thousands of aviators, corporations and the major aviation associations that had anything at all even slightly negative to say. I guess I just don't understand.
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Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
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Everyone else ignored you
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