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dougsnash
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 Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect it would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back up and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond and asked me to explain this to you all.
Doug MacDonald
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NW Ontario, Canada
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flicka750
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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Canada: Canada
CAN-ZAC Aviation
Mark Townsend
General Delivery, P.O. Box 168,
Alma, Ontario. N0B 1A0 Canada
Telephone: 1-519-590-7601
Email: info(at)can-zacaviation.com
Website: www.can-zacaviation.com
I really only had one question for can-zac, they seem to infer by their website, that the 701 would be ok with the the jab3300. It would be good to know from can-zac if the jab-3300 is a go or not on any 701, or is it only so ON THEIR 701-QB??. My reading of their website is that their Quick-Build variant of the 701, will hold up to the jab-3300. This was the original question for can-zac.
The US zenair site makes no explicit mention of the jab-3300 as an option.
Again my feeling is that the can-zac 701 QB is beefed up or something to support the jab-3300 or perhaps they have a 601 firewall?
This was the original question.
Lastly, there seems to be some tangential misunderstanding that asking questions means you think Zenith sucks. That's a theory of weak minds. I think asking questions is essential. Getting answers to those questions shouldn't be so hard.
sincerely,
| dougsnash wrote: | Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect it would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back up and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond and asked me to explain this to you all.
Doug MacDonald
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NW Ontario, Canada
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flicka750
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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STOL CH 701 - Fast Build KIT NEW
The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint.
Above is the data from the can-zen site, now it sounds to be like they're talking about a different 701? The USA zen site says basically use the rotax, and then says to get the hombuilt dvd alt-912 if you wish to do something else.
More interesting the can-zen site makes it sound like the O-200 is an option, yet that is 215LB's even for the new TMX O-200 LSA engine.
Is this a typo? A different engine? A cut&paste from the 601 an nobody reads or edits the site?
Are they putting a 601 firewall on their 701 QB?
| dougsnash wrote: | Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect it would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back up and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond and asked me to explain this to you all.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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billmileski
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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Flicka,
An observation. It seems you are not getting a lot of support here, and I think it may be because you are expecting all of the details to be completely worked out for you.
Your perspective seems so focused on a "there must be exactly one right answer" in all these issues, that you may not understand that the homebuilt plane world (both in heritage and spirit) is not compatible with your approach. The reason the FAA requires that you do at least 51% of the work, and that a special airworthiness certificate can be granted, is to support the spirit of individual experimentation. There is a lot of joy in building your own aircraft, by integrating the many opinions out there on every topic, and achieving a unique end result.
The LSA "buy and fly" version of these aircraft presents a new paradigm, and perhaps your struggle here illustrates that there are those out there that want a kit that practically puts itself together, and forms essentially a duplicate of the factory-assembled aircraft. Maybe this will be the majority's expectation as we move forward, I don't know.
And regardless of whether you have a 3300, 912S, turbo Subaru, Wankel, turbine, or hyperdrive in a 701, or whether it's a 750, you will have a lightweight, pull-riveted, sport aircraft with pretty much the same macro properties as the next guy with a 701. If you finally get there, you may find that the practicalities and fun associated with owning and flying kind of make the specifics you are so obsessed with, a little less important.
One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions out there, that are different from mine, and the discussions, although heated, usually teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the "right answer" for yourself.
Bill Mileski
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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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Hello Mark and friends,
A useless effort... If you ask me.
Saludos
Gary Gower
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--- On Wed, 8/27/08, MacDonald Doug <dougsnash(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend
To: "701 list" <zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:31 AM
| Quote: | --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug
<dougsnash(at)yahoo.com>
Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical
difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect
it would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back
up and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in
the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond
and asked me to explain this to you all.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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flicka750
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint.
[quote="billmileski"]Flicka,
Dear Beloved BMILKESKI,
I'm a scratch BUILDER. I want to know how they're putting O-200's into a CH-701, given that its 215LBs for the LSA version. NOBODY wants to answer my question, and 'Mark Townsend' seems to have fell off the planet, which is odd, as usually when there is a "2+2=" question he's front and center.
I want to know how they're QB works, because in MY CH-701 plans it says MAX WEIGHT for engine 180LB's. Are they putting lead in the rear fuselage? Is the usable weight of their QB product #400LBS?
My humble opinion is that this assertion that they're QB-701 will support 3300 or O-200 is a pre-sale myth. That said maybe they're putting a Zodiac 601 FireWall Foward?
[quote] | Quote: |
An observation. It seems you are not getting a lot of support here, and I think it may be because you are expecting all of the details to be completely worked out for you.
Your perspective seems so focused on a "there must be exactly one right answer" in all these issues, that you may not understand that the homebuilt plane world (both in heritage and spirit) is not compatible with your approach. The reason the FAA requires that you do at least 51% of the work, and that a special airworthiness certificate can be granted, is to support the spirit of individual experimentation. There is a lot of joy in building your own aircraft, by integrating the many opinions out there on every topic, and achieving a unique end result.
The LSA "buy and fly" version of these aircraft presents a new paradigm, and perhaps your struggle here illustrates that there are those out there that want a kit that practically puts itself together, and forms essentially a duplicate of the factory-assembled aircraft. Maybe this will be the majority's expectation as we move forward, I don't know.
And regardless of whether you have a 3300, 912S, turbo Subaru, Wankel, turbine, or hyperdrive in a 701, or whether it's a 750, you will have a lightweight, pull-riveted, sport aircraft with pretty much the same macro properties as the next guy with a 701. If you finally get there, you may find that the practicalities and fun associated with owning and flying kind of make the specifics you are so obsessed with, a little less important.
One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions out there, that are different from mine, and the discussions, although heated, usually teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the "right answer" for yourself.
Bill Mileski[ |
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flicka750
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this group. Most of the people here seem to be selling DVD's, QB's, Build-Assist, or diaper-service; I'm not sure what the others are selling.
I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify that one or two people out the hundreds in this silly 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and then know who to go direct to should I ever have a question.
This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing a how-to-start a kit-plane biz, and run it into the ground article. All this non-sense about given CASH up front for a KIT, when most of the companys are going out of business.
I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last man standing. That said, when the FAA is done, even they may not survive.
The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor scratch-builders like myself the the problem is all the rich people paying to have plane built for them. The problem is all the QB's and builder-assist folks getting $120/hr, I find the this whole hobby very entertaining.
| billmileski wrote: | Flicka
One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions out there, that are different from mine, and the discussions, although heated, usually teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the "right answer" for yourself.
Bill Mileski |
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Al Hays
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
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"Flicka",
It would be very much appreciated if you would go to http://
www.matronics.com/subscription/ and have yourself unsubscribed from
this list. Thank you.
Al Hays
N701GH reserved
On Aug 28, 2008, at 4:33 PM, flicka750 wrote:
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I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this group.
Most of the people here seem to be selling DVD's, QB's, Build-
Assist, or diaper-service; I'm not sure what the others are selling.
I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify that one or
two people out the hundreds in this silly 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and
then know who to go direct to should I ever have a question.
This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing a how-to-
start a kit-plane biz, and run it into the ground article. All this
non-sense about given CASH up front for a KIT, when most of the
companys are going out of business.
I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last man standing. That
said, when the FAA is done, even they may not survive.
The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor scratch-
builders like myself the the problem is all the rich people paying
to have plane built for them. The problem is all the QB's and
builder-assist folks getting $120/hr, I find the this whole hobby
very entertaining.
billmileski wrote:
> Flicka
> One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many
> opinions out there, that are different from mine, and the
> discussions, although heated, usually teach me stuff about
> building and flying 701s.
>
> So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out
> the "right answer" for yourself.
>
> Bill Mileski
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the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure,
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