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This is going to take a bit C so if you don't want to get involved this is a good time to hit delete.
Gentleman C and any ladies that may still be with us C
I have a request for all of you that C if heard C will benefit everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998 C and have been building and flying RV's ever since.
Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call C or email C you US Representative and/or US Senator C and let them know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for quite some time now C and you have the right to tell them it needs to stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep my name out of it off of this list.
Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated.
Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft C be they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional offices C thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the country.
Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers (i.e C United Airlines C etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck C if you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are trying to do through the back door.
Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection done C they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted C many of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more who do know C want to do them C and have the time do do them C but management within the Flight Standards has declared C in writing C that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders C and are to send everyone to a DAR C irregardless of what it may cost you C the builder.
Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco C inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators C such as charter operations C flight schools C crop dusters C and repair stations. And at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to include everyone C if we were allowed.
I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling people 'no' C I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to come from outside C and that is why I am asking for all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives C Senators C the EAA C and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is happening.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: A request for action |
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: A request for action |
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Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and the Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over the years. Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning.
I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their Airworthiness Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing off aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both Ops and Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long hours and dedication you provide.
For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to preserve our wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dollars count.
John Cox
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:46 PM
To: rv list
Subject: A request for action
This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this is a good time to hit delete.
Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us,
I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since.
Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, you US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep my name out of it off of this list.
Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated.
Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the country.
Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are trying to do through the back door.
Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders, and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost you, the builder.
Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to include everyone, if we were allowed.
I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is happening.
Mike R.
RV Builder
Tech Counselor
A&P
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: A request for action |
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Hello Mike,
When I was ready for my inspection last year, I called the Kansas City FSDO and was told EXACTLY what you are informing us about. I got the “lack of budget” because of failure to pass the “User Fee” legislation and was told to contact a DAR. I explained that I was entitled to the FREE services of the FAA as a result of my tax dollars. They finally agreed to do the inspection, but informed me that they would only grant a minimal test area for the RV-7 during a required 40-hour phase one. The FAA obviously wanted no part of the experimental airworthiness inspections. Since I wanted (and needed) a larger test area, I reluctantly contacted a DAR and paid for the service. You’re right, the current treatment/actions of the FAA is unwarranted and unfair.
Now, I’m actually seeing the experimentals getting MORE attention from the FAA in the KC FSDO area – from equipment installations (trying to tell us what’s legal – WRONG), ramp checks, and airworthiness inspections. It appears that the high fuel costs are significantly reducing GA operations, especially for the Spam Cans. Overall, the fuel efficient experimentals are flying more regularly than the certified ships. As a result, I believe the FAA uses the increasing numbers of experimentals to justify their jobs or reqs for additional positions.
Bill
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Larry Bowen
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: A request for action |
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Despite the opinions I was wasting my time, I contacted the FSDO (at) GSO for my RV-8 inspection back in 2004. It worked out great. The inspector was professional, interested, and a joy to work with. He even had to come out a second time after I had fixed a CS prop that would not cycle. Moral of the story: it usually doesn't hurts to ask!
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On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM, John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com (johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com)> wrote:
> Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and the
| Quote: | Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over the years.
Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's gain. I think of you
> at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning.
|
| Quote: |
I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their Airworthiness
Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the certification process of OBAM
> aircraft. I am only aware of one Inspector nationwide who like some DARs
|
| Quote: | are repetitively signing off aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most
are an invaluable resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23
> years while serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both
|
| Quote: | Ops and Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil
servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long hours and
> dedication you provide.
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| Quote: |
For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your legislators.
In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah Palin who has come
> out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the family pilot). We need
|
| Quote: | all the friends we can get to preserve our wonderful activity. Make your
voices heard and your tax dollars count.
>
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| Quote: | To: rv list
Subject: A request for action
This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this is a
> good time to hit delete.
|
| Quote: |
Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us,
I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit everyone.
Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998, and
> have been building and flying RV's ever since.
|
| Quote: |
Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and
overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend
> that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you
|
| Quote: | have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all
of you call, or email, you US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them
> know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars
|
| Quote: | are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee
for quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to
> stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your
|
| Quote: | amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the
Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are
> going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep my
|
| Quote: | name out of it off of this list.
Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain
the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated.
>
|
| Quote: | Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting
inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be they
Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing
> Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices
|
| Quote: | (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs
are located with the regional offices, thus very far from most of us. There
> are only 9 MIDOs in the country.
|
| Quote: |
Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards
has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers
> (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if
|
| Quote: | you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general
aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is
> exactly what they are trying to do through the back door.
|
| Quote: |
Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection
done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do
> inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every
|
| Quote: | airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many of them do not know
anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more
> who do know, want to do them, and have the time do do them, but management
|
| Quote: | within the Flight Standards has declared, in writing, that we are not to
bother with Amateur-builders, and are to send everyone to a DAR,
> irregardless of what it may cost you, the builder.
|
| Quote: |
Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to
receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong.
> As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, inspecting big air
|
| Quote: | carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely
inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators, such as
> charter operations, flight schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And
|
| Quote: | at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors
could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their
> surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to
|
| Quote: | include everyone, if we were allowed.
I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling
> people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the
|
| Quote: | time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the
same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to
> come from outside, and that is why I am asking for all of you to take
|
| Quote: | action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the EAA, and AOPA and let
them know that you are not happy about what is happening.
>
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| Quote: | Mike R.
RV Builder
Tech Counselor
A&P
Das ***
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> together—nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now
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