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bughntr(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

I need to replace the end seals/caps on the  flaperons on my model II and was looking for any good ideas for material,  techniques etc. Have seen wood and/or foam used but was looking for the  best ideas.

  

 Thanks

 Bryan Q

 Model II

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Sbennett3(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

Bryan, Try Murle Williams.www.MurleWilliamsAviation.com

  In a message dated 10/23/2008 7:09:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  bughntr(at)comcast.net writes:

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		     I need to replace the end seals/caps on the    flaperons on my model II and was looking for any good ideas for material,    techniques etc. Have seen wood and/or foam used but was looking for the    best ideas.

    

   Thanks

   Bryan Q

   Model II

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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps

We just had to do it a couple weeks ago.  A quick trip to the local hobby or craft store and you should be able to pick up some balsa wood blocks.  We roughed em in with a band saw, then rounded them out on a belt sander.  A quick go around with 220 grit and a hand block sander, seal with epoxy primer, another quick sanding and then top coat to match the plane.  We glued them in with T88 or use structural adhesive.



Looks like new and will outlast the foam with only maybe an once weight penalty..

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mikeperkins

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It’s a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape.   

   

- Mike Perkins  

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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I used fur and it worked just also. 

  

 Dee Young

 Model II

  

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n10pg(at)neo.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

Did you dye the fur  to match the paint?

   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee  Young

Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Flaperon End  Caps

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I used fur and it worked just also. 

 Dee Young

 Model II

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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->   Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better  educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing  skills. I will try to do better in the future. 

  

 Dee Young

 Model II

 N345DY

  

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Michael Logan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 82

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

Thanks Peter and Dee, we  got a good laugh out of that one.

  

 Mike



   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee  Young

Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Flaperon End  Caps

 

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->   Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better  educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing  skills. I will try to do better in the future. 

  

 Dee Young

 Model II

 N345DY

  

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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

I knew the “fur” was a typo but I haven’t been able to think of what yow actually meant.  

   

Noel  

       

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Logan

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Flaperon End Caps  

  

  

   

Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one.  

   

Mike  

       

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps        

Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future.   

    

   

    

Dee Young  

    

Model II  

    

N345DY  

    

   

    

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

"Douglas Fir"



David

Kitfox, Model III, HKS



On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:

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I knew the "fur" was a typo but I haven't been able to think of what yow actually meant.  

   

Noel  

       

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michael Logan

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: Flaperon End Caps  

  

  

   

Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one.  

   

Mike  

       

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Dee Young

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps        

Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future.   

    

   

    

Dee Young  

    

Model II  

    

N345DY  

    

   

    

Do not archive  

  

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brubakermal(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

while my mod 2 has fiberglass over foam the gas drains under the wing only need too leek one time and you run  the risk on needing to replace  them



--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Bryan Quinton <bughntr(at)comcast.net> wrote:

[quote]From: Bryan Quinton <bughntr(at)comcast.net>

Subject: Flaperon End Caps

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 11:10 PM



       I need to replace the end seals/caps on the  flaperons on my model II and was looking for any good ideas for material,  techniques etc. Have seen wood and/or foam used but was looking for the  best ideas.

  

 Thanks

 Bryan Q

 Model II

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

Bryan,



Since the list is so lethargic of late, I thought I might offer a long 

winded suggestion.  If you are comfortable with fiberglass, this is a trick 

I learned while working on the neighbor's Lancair IV.



Cover the inside end of the flaperon (for about an inch) with vinyl tape. 

This will likely be the hardest part.   Electricians tape does fine.  Extend 

the tape out a bit.  you might want to put some tape on the outside edge as 

well to protect the outside suface.



Take a couple of pieces of fiberglass cloth of appropriate size and lay them 

on a piece of about 2 mil vinyl film about six inches larger than the 

fiberglass cloth on all sides.  Pour enough epoxy or polyester resin on it 

to fully saturate the cloth.  Put another piece of vinyl film on top of the 

sandwich and with a squeegee or a flat piece of wood, or a roller, squeegee 

as much of the resin out of the cloth as possible.  Cut around the 

fiberglass to get rid of the excess resin.  Wearing gloves, remove the top 

layer of vinyl and position the cloth over the end of the flaperon.  Remove 

the other piece of vinyl film and gently press the cloth into the end of the 

flaperon to create a rounded concave shape.  You may have to cut some of the 

excess cloth away to prevent sag, unless you can work with the flaperon 

vertically from a ladder or the back stairs.  When this cures, press inward 

on the edges, breaking the composite from the tape in the flaperon and 

remove.  When out, trim to the edge impression of the flaperon and you have 

the end piece for the opposite flaperon.



Do the same thing on the other flaperon for the end piece for the first 

flaperon.  This will give a nice rounded end and it will be very light, but 

will need some surface finishing with super fill, bondo or resin and 

microballoons.  Glue the ends in with epoxy.



This technique works also if a clearance bubble is needed, in a cowl for 

instance.  Just cut the clearance hole and place the fiberglass sandwich 

over the hole from the inside and shape by hand.  More than two layers would 

be needed on the cowl, though.  In this case, prep the inside with sandpaper 

to remove surface contamination and allow the bubble to bond to the cowl. 

The excess is sanded away with a Dremel and a sandpaper drum and faired in 

on the outside with micro.  For cutting the flaperon end, a Dremel using a 

thin diamond disk does the trick very nicely.  In the two and a half years 

we spent on the Lancair, we used up three Dremels and lots of diamond disks.



Lowell



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Float Flyr

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Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

Thanks and I’ll try to spell “you” right the next time.   

   

I guess it comes from living in a country with mostly spruce and birch trees.  

   

Noel  

     

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Jones

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:14 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps  

  

   

"Douglas Fir"

 

 David

 Kitfox, Model III, HKS

 

 

     

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:      

I knew the "fur" was a typo but I haven't been able to think of what yow actually meant.  

   

Noel  

       

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michael Logan

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:28 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: Flaperon End Caps  

  

  

   

Thanks Peter and Dee, we got a good laugh out of that one.  

   

Mike  

       

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Dee Young

 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:37 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps        

Pete sorry for the poor spelling and missed words. Some have better educations than others and that short coming shows in my writing skills. I will try to do better in the future.   

    

   

    

Dee Young  

    

Model II  

    

N345DY  

    

   

    

Do not archive  

  

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From: Peter Graichen (n10pg(at)neo.rr.com)   

    

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)   

    

Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:10 AM  

    

Subject: RE: Flaperon End Caps  

    

   

  

Did you dye the fur to match the paint?  

       

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Dee Young

 Sent: Friday, 24 October, 2008 09:43

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps      

I used fur and it worked just also.   

    

   

    

Dee Young  

    

Model II  

    

   

    

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From: Perkins, Mike (Michael.Perkins(at)Rauland.com)   

    

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)   

    

Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:29 AM  

    

Subject: Re: Flaperon End Caps  

    

   

  

I used basswood on my flaperon endcaps. It's a little harder and more durable than balsawood, but still very easy to sand and shape.   

   

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

On Fri, October 24, 2008 6:43 am, Dee Young wrote:

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		   I used fur and it worked just also.



 Dee Young

 Model II


	


You've got to be kidding! Fur? I just can't quite visualize that.



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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Flaperon End Caps

I can,



fur, fura, furu (Pinus sylvestris) scandinavian name



Jan

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