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You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going there.
On another note.
Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be thankful.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
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I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
John Jessen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: keep building and keep flying |
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This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging, with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build of my 10. It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I ended up signing up for the aerobatic course. That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last training I did which was my instrument rating. So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been putting off because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying, but if I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what seems like so long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
[quote]You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going there.
On another note.
Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be thankful.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of John JessenSent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AMTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Updated Web Site
I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
John Jessen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: keep building and keep flying |
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Building and flying has been on my mind too. While finishing an oil change on the Maule I realized that we've done less flying this 11th year of ownership than in any previous year. But, I've done a lot more building too.
Practically all of our Maule flying is for traveling. I can't remember the last time we've driven over 100miles. But who wants to go anywhere with the '10 sitting in the shop!
We had a flight planned from NC to south FL for a bit of R&R over Thanksgiving. We made the trip but did it on the airlines. The problem is that I've made the trip so many times flying the '10 in my head, that I just can't face that 115knot cruise in the Maule. Spoiled already and it's not even flying.
I'm really enjoying the build, sometimes even the sanding... well not quite. But I'm really looking forward to the flying phase.
Bill "wiring the panel" Watson
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Chris Johnston wrote: [quote]This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging, with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build of my 10. It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I ended up signing up for the aerobatic course. That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last training I did which was my instrument rating. So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been putting off because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying, but if I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what seems like so long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
| Quote: | You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going there.
On another note.
Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be thankful.
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I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
John Jessen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: keep building and keep flying |
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Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter, brake pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible steel brake lines, tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery, and of course I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up, which necessitated many hours of manual reading, but also to become very familiar with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing light, do the fairings to clean her up, install a stereo intercom and music input, an autopilot, new seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership while building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying current. If you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose the GlaStar in part because she is experimental, and thus I could work on her (having my work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the costs down. But more importantly, she represents an escrow account for the RV-10's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages, I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaStar, or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at that time I'll probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10, fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make sense to me. In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck, you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:49 AM
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Subject: Re: keep building and keep flying
Building and flying has been on my mind too. While finishing an oil change on the Maule I realized that we've done less flying this 11th year of ownership than in any previous year. But, I've done a lot more building too.
Practically all of our Maule flying is for traveling. I can't remember the last time we've driven over 100miles. But who wants to go anywhere with the '10 sitting in the shop!
We had a flight planned from NC to south FL for a bit of R&R over Thanksgiving. We made the trip but did it on the airlines. The problem is that I've made the trip so many times flying the '10 in my head, that I just can't face that 115knot cruise in the Maule. Spoiled already and it's not even flying.
I'm really enjoying the build, sometimes even the sanding... well not quite. But I'm really looking forward to the flying phase.
Bill "wiring the panel" Watson
40605
Chris Johnston wrote: [quote]This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging, with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build of my 10. It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I ended up signing up for the aerobatic course. That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last training I did which was my instrument rating. So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been putting off because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying, but if I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what seems like so long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
| Quote: | You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going there.
On another note.
Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be thankful.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of John JessenSent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AMTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Updated Web Site
I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
John Jessen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: keep building and keep flying |
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John,
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about buying right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account. Unfortunately times have changed and while one can drive a very good deal now on used aircraft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer when it’s time to sell if you require getting something close to your purchase price.
I, like you always considered my “fleet” of aircraft to basically cost the “time value of money” as I have to date never sold a plane for less than I purchased them (not considering maintenance, storage…) As should be obvious to all by now there are some very tough times out there and no one knows how bad things will get or how long this will last. Items like RV (land), boats, vacation homes… are finding no buyers. Ranger Boat one of the largest employers in AR has laid off 60% of their work force and placed the rest on 3 days a week. Average salary $13.00/hour. One might as well place a Toxic Waste sign on most Boat/RV showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself, I am just suggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge in this economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to the flying stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue renting or find an inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II, RV-6A, D-35 Bonanza, Cessna-150/150…Never mind…
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: keep building and keep flying
Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter, brake pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible steel brake lines, tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery, and of course I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up, which necessitated many hours of manual reading, but also to become very familiar with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing light, do the fairings to clean her up, install a stereo intercom and music input, an autopilot, new seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership while building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying current. If you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose the GlaStar in part because she is experimental, and thus I could work on her (having my work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the costs down. But more importantly, she represents an escrow account for the RV-10's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages, I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaStar, or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at that time I'll probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10, fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make sense to me. In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck, you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: keep building and keep flying |
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Robin, good points. One needs to think through this carefully, given the high costs involved and financial times. In the meantime, if the timing is right, and the dollars are available, and the price is right, etc etc. At least you get to fly. When it comes time to sell, which in my case will be several years away, hopefully the economy will have turned and I can break even on the purchase price. Even if I don't break even, I've still enjoyed the ownership and use. On the other hand, if the economy hasn't picked back up, I can pause on the building and still get to fly. As you mention, another very viable route is a flying club, with a partial ownership, and that's something I did and enjoyed. There are all sorts of routes to explore.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: keep building and keep flying
John,
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about buying right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account. Unfortunately times have changed and while one can drive a very good deal now on used aircraft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer when it’s time to sell if you require getting something close to your purchase price.
I, like you always considered my “fleet” of aircraft to basically cost the “time value of money” as I have to date never sold a plane for less than I purchased them (not considering maintenance, storage…) As should be obvious to all by now there are some very tough times out there and no one knows how bad things will get or how long this will last. Items like RV (land), boats, vacation homes… are finding no buyers. Ranger Boat one of the largest employers in AR has laid off 60% of their work force and placed the rest on 3 days a week. Average salary $13.00/hour. One might as well place a Toxic Waste sign on most Boat/RV showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself, I am just suggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge in this economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to the flying stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue renting or find an inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II, RV-6A, D-35 Bonanza, Cessna-150/150…Never mind…
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:31 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: keep building and keep flying
Chris,
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course, there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're building another, such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter, brake pads, added two new brake master cylinders, flexible steel brake lines, tires, had the starter rebuilt, put in a new battery, and of course I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up, which necessitated many hours of manual reading, but also to become very familiar with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing light, do the fairings to clean her up, install a stereo intercom and music input, an autopilot, new seats, you get the idea.
Most importantly, however, there's a nice advantage to plane ownership while building, besides the fun of flying and tinkering, and staying current. If you buy carefully, it becomes an escrow account. I chose the GlaStar in part because she is experimental, and thus I could work on her (having my work signed off appropriately, of course) and keep the costs down. But more importantly, she represents an escrow account for the RV-10's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages, I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaStar, or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10, because at that time I'll probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10, fly the RV-10 for several years, then build a Sportsman! Make sense to me. In the mean time, I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely, indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck, you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway, might as well put it to good use now and enjoy. So, Chris, let us know when and what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: keep building and keep flying |
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It seems many of us are letting our minds wonder. I have been putting in the hours hard on the 10 along with lifes responsibilities C aka work to earn a living.
Believe it or not have been building a special windscreen fairing and at the same time faring in my doors and windows. I am actually enjoying this part of the build the most. Micro----Sand---Micro C etc. As per purchasing another plane...not one unless I can build it.
For some reason I've been bit once but not shy...researching plans and and manuals...looks like I've fallen back in love with another plane C is there time to finish the 10 and build a Long Ez before I get too old or my shoulders give out from sanding? What a collectors item that would be C too nice to ever sell. Well they are only plans until you start the build and we all know that will be a little later.
John at 42 C coming up on 1600 hrs and it is a quickbuild.
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John C
In general I would have agreed with you in the past about buying right and considering the aircraft as and escrow account. Unfortunately times have changed and while one can drive a very good deal now on used aircraft there is no guarantee there will be a buyer when it’s time to sell if you require getting something close to your purchase price.
I C like you always considered my “fleet” of aircraft to basically cost the “time value of money” as I have to date never sold a plane for less than I purchased them (not considering maintenance C storage…) As should be obvious to all by now there are some very tough times out there and no one knows how bad things will get or how long this will last. Items like RV (land) C boats C vacation homes… are finding no buyers. Ranger Boat one of the largest employers in AR has laid off 60% of their work force and placed the rest on 3 days a week. Average salary $13.00/hour. One might as well place a Toxic Waste sign on most Boat/RV showrooms.
I am not trying to depress anyone or further depress myself C I am just suggesting that selling a hard asset like an airplane may be a challenge in this economic environment. Because Chris you may be fairly close to the flying stage for your -10 maybe it not a bad idea to continue renting or find an inexpensive local partnership.
That being said does anyone want to buy a Turbo Lance II C RV-6A C D-35 Bonanza C Cessna-150/150…Never mind…
Robin
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Sent: Monday C December 08 C 2008 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: keep building and keep flying
Chris C
I'm in agreement with Bill and David.
Of course C there is a problem with buying an airplane to fly while you're building another C such as I did with the GlaStar. You get to flying and not building! You also get to tinkering. I've replaced the altimeter C brake pads C added two new brake master cylinders C flexible steel brake lines C tires C had the starter rebuilt C put in a new battery C and of course I did a thorough annual to not only get things all tuned up C which necessitated many hours of manual reading C but also to become very familiar with the plane and its systems. Next on the list is to add a landing light C do the fairings to clean her up C install a stereo intercom and music input C an autopilot C new seats C you get the idea. Most importantly C however C there's a nice advantage to plane ownership while building C besides the fun of flying and tinkering C and staying current. If you buy carefully C it becomes an escrow account. I chose the GlaStar in part because she is experimental C and thus I could work on her (having my work signed off appropriately C of course) and keep the costs down. But more importantly C she represents an escrow account for the RV-10's engine and panel. When I get to the firewall forward and panel stages C I'll have a decision to make. Either sell the RV-10 and keep the GlaStar C or sell the GlaStar and finish the RV-10 C because at that time I'll probably not be able to afford both. It's going to be a tough choice.
Maybe the decision path should be to sell when needed to finish the RV-10 C fly the RV-10 for several years C then build a Sportsman! Make sense to me. In the mean time C I get to fly my escrow account!
This is working out quite nicely C indeed. I highly recommend it. Heck C you're going to spend the money for an engine and panel anyway C might as well put it to good use now and enjoy. So C Chris C let us know when and what you buy. Should be some good deals out there.
John Jessen
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I guess it would have worked out better as an escrow account if I had thought of it before I bought everything for my 10! I've already purchased the engine/prop (installed) and everything for the instrument panel. Pretty much all I have to do is get my rear in gear and finish the thing! Really, for me, I've always known that I wanted a tandem seat taildragger for some fun aerobatics, and I've somehow got my girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you really do need two airplanes..." so the boss is on board! So I'm basically not really buying a plane with the intent to sell when my 10 is done... I'm buying an aerobatic airplane so I can learn, stay current, and enjoy life a little more. I may decide to sell it in the future, but that's not a requirement to finish my 10. I basically learned to fly and then started building an airplane immediately after. I have a habit of becoming extremely focused on one thing to the exclusion of everything else, and I think it's time to try to be a bit more well rounded, and have a bit of fun in the process. But even if I don't find an aircraft that fits the bill in the near future, I'll have a good time with the process of safely transitioning into it.
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Chris Johnston wrote:
| Quote: | This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the
past year my professional life has become increasingly challenging,
with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and 80 and 90 hour
weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not stopped. Airplane
flying, however, has come to a complete standstill. I've made the
decision to look for something to fly while I'm finishing the build of
my 10.
This sounds like a good fit for you (From my Grumman list .... i already
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have one and love the little sucker. Gonna miss it when the -10 is done!
 :
Hi Gang, I'm forced to sell my 1973 AA-1B, 150hp. I just put it in
Trade-A-Plane for 28,500 but I will take less. It just came out of an
extensive annual, both wings had to come off to re-seal fuel tanks, o-rings,
hoses, anything it needed, new muffler, new elt with remote button. Just
before the annual the flap motor was rebuilt, new plugs. My wife doesn't fly,
and I told her this one would be cheap to maintain Well I was close, it will
be cheap to maintain for the next owner. Engine has 840 smoh, good
compression, airframe has 3000, paint job is great, blue with some hot
stripping. My loss your gain, anyone interested, Merry Christmas, Pat.ꀊਊ
| Quote: | It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision sooner.
For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a ripple effect
that's done me some good, even if I end up not finding an airplane to
buy before mine is done. If I want to fly something more entertaining
than a Cessna, I needed to get a tailwheel endorsement. So I went down
to get that done, and I ended up signing up for the aerobatic course.
That's a fun saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last
training I did which was my instrument rating.
Aerobatics is the most fun thing you can do with your clothes on!! 
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| Quote: | So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its
included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go flying
lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily enough, I was
happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the weekend, doing stuff
around the 10 that I've been putting off because it's not fun. So, I
love building, and I love flying, but if I'm not doing enough of
either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my own fault. Building has been
such a big part of my life for what seems like so long, sometimes I
forget why I'm doing it.
To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
Best advice on the planet!!!
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Linn
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cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
> You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy and I
> flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for pictures over
> the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I doubt I will take the
> 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but the Glastar will be going
> there.
> On another note.
> Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
> experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
> deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of
> advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you never
> know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He indicated
> that this was his first flight with anyone since he discovered he
> will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the season to be
> thankful.
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
> *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Updated Web Site
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> I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to resume
> building. The additions might be of interest to one or two. There's a
> new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds pictures of the
> dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will also hold a notice
> about upcoming dinners, one of which will be in the Spring of 09.
> There's also a single page about my GlaStar. Please let me know if
> links don't work, etc.
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Snip: I've somehow got my girlfriend to say the magic words "I guess you
really do need two airplanes..."
So your girlfriend in onboard but what did your wife say?
Sorry, could not resist...
Robin
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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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hahahaha! good one!
c
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cj(at)popstudios.com
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Thanks for the heads up Linn, but alas, I've already fallen in love
with a type! Now I just need to find the right one!!!
cj
On Dec 8, 2008, at 1:38 PM, linn Walters wrote:
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<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Chris Johnston wrote:
> This subject has been weighing heavily on my mind of late. For the
> past year my professional life has become increasingly
> challenging, with changing responsibility, higher workloads, and
> 80 and 90 hour weeks. Airplane building has suffered, but not
> stopped. Airplane flying, however, has come to a complete
> standstill. I've made the decision to look for something to fly
> while I'm finishing the build of my 10.
This sounds like a good fit for you (From my Grumman list .... i
already have one and love the little sucker. Gonna miss it when the
-10 is done! :
Hi Gang, I'm forced to sell my 1973 AA-1B, 150hp. I just put it in
Trade-A-Plane for 28,500 but I will take less. It just came out of an
extensive annual, both wings had to come off to re-seal fuel tanks,
o-rings,
hoses, anything it needed, new muffler, new elt with remote button.
Just
before the annual the flap motor was rebuilt, new plugs. My wife
doesn't fly,
and I told her this one would be cheap to maintain Well I was
close, it will
be cheap to maintain for the next owner. Engine has 840 smoh, good
compression, airframe has 3000, paint job is great, blue with some hot
stripping. My loss your gain, anyone interested, Merry Christmas,
Pat.ꀊਊ
> It occurs to me that my mistake was not making this decision
> sooner. For me, the decision to buy something to fly has had a
> ripple effect that's done me some good, even if I end up not
> finding an airplane to buy before mine is done. If I want to fly
> something more entertaining than a Cessna, I needed to get a
> tailwheel endorsement. So I went down to get that done, and I
> ended up signing up for the aerobatic course. That's a fun
> saturday afternoon! Very different mindset from the last training
> I did which was my instrument rating.
Aerobatics is the most fun thing you can do with your clothes on!!
> So getting my TW endorsement will take a bit longer because its
> included in an aerobatic curriculum - which means I need to go
> flying lots on the weekends for awhile. hooray! and funnily
> enough, I was happily sanding fiberglass for the rest of the
> weekend, doing stuff around the 10 that I've been putting off
> because it's not fun. So, I love building, and I love flying, but
> if I'm not doing enough of either, I'm a grumpy dude - and it's my
> own fault. Building has been such a big part of my life for what
> seems like so long, sometimes I forget why I'm doing it.
>
> To sum up - fly lots, build lots = happy cj
Best advice on the planet!!!
Linn
>
> cj
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>> You are correct; the Glastar is a fantastic airplane. My buddy
>> and I flew it into Zuni NM and then made some low passes for
>> pictures over the propsed strip at 7500 msl in western NM. I
>> doubt I will take the 10 in there due to bladed desert strip but
>> the Glastar will be going there.
>> On another note.
>> Just took a man on a flight in the 10 . He has been working on an
>> experimental for sometime and flying a Cessna. His near vision is
>> deteriorating and he has to give up his medical. Just a word of
>> advice /philosophy. Better keep both activities going as you
>> never know when the ability to continue flying will cease. He
>> indicated that this was his first flight with anyone since he
>> discovered he will not be piloting any aircraft any more. Tis the
>> season to be thankful.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
>> list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 08, 2008 12:00 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Updated Web Site
>>
>> I'm updating my web site (jessen-rv10.com) as I get ready to
>> resume building. The additions might be of interest to one or
>> two. There's a new section, called NW RV-10 Dinners. This holds
>> pictures of the dinner gatherings we've had to date, and will
>> also hold a notice about upcoming dinners, one of which will be
>> in the Spring of 09. There's also a single page about my GlaStar.
>> Please let me know if links don't work, etc.
>> John Jessen
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When my girl friend told me that I really need a (sail)plane, she
instantly became my wife... we just didn't know it at the time.
Bill "PIK20b" Watson
Robin Marks wrote:
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So your girlfriend in onboard but what did your wife say?
Sorry, could not resist...
Robin
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