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hills(at)sunflower.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Ya, thank god, and hope the Nazi's don't come back !!!

Roger

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hills(at)sunflower.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

An 18 year old drinking is putting his life on the line,and mine.

Too many close calls delivering pizzas to the dorms not to notice

a huge reduction in close calls after the drinking age went up.



Roger





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hills(at)sunflower.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

I would just like to point out, the only people the American police are trained to protect,  

are themselves. Got Amo?  

   

   

Roger  

   

   

   

         

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Dominguez

 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:34 PM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns  

  

           

But pure socialism is not what this country is   moving toward in any shape of form. That will be an irrational fear because   it won't happen here in America.

   

   When it comes to European style socialism, most of the fear are based in   misconceptions about their system and exaggeration of their disadvantages. 

   

   My point all along have not been that their system is better and we should   move to that model. My point is that it does not justify the fear and   contempt that some people express. 

   

   

   William Dominguez

   Zodiac 601XL Plans

   

   

   --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>   wrote:   

From: Rick Lindstrom   <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>

   Subject: Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

   To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:59 PM   [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom

<tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>

  

True, there is no pure capitalism. Pure socialism is another matter, requiring

a totally dependent society on a dictator,  monarch, or ruling cabal. It's

been tried before with disastrous results.

  

Whether fears about increasing socialism (requiring some loss of freedom) are

"irrational" or not depends on your perspective, I guess. You asked

why fear socialism, and the reason is that it requires that someone else

surrender something (usually against their will). What is freedom, anyway? There

can be no freedom without property rights, which includes the right to keep what

you've earned through your own industry.

  

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		  From what I've seen, every time we embrace some new socialistic program

that allows us to feel better about ourselves for some brief period of time, the
	


societal costs are just too high. Our government has no business taking by force

from one to give to another outside of what's conceded by the Constitution

(and thereby insuring their own political careers). I have no problem with

charitable giving and public service programs, but this should be the province

of churches and private community service organizations. When you rob from Peter

to give to Paul, Paul will for sure vote for you again. Maybe Peter will too, if

you convince him that it's for his own good.

  

Socialism is based on the theory that someone else knows better than you do how

to manage your affairs and your personal effects. It also assumes that societal

power properly resides with those who rule, instead of sparingly granted from

the citizenry.

  

I can't think of two better reasons to reject socialism, and those who

would enslave us further with it.

   

 Rick

   

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hills(at)sunflower.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Defenseless small animals?  Are you nuts?  The last rabbit I shot charged

me, it headed straight form my iliac artery !!!!!!



Roger

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

that is hillarious. !



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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

I support the right to arm bears.



-- Craig



Do not archive



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grant.corriveau(at)telus.
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

"Not to mention the fact that criminals prefer unarmed prey."



Then you'll have to explain to me why the crime rate in the good ole  

US of A his highest in the world?  Some of you Americans scare me!  I  

just hope I'm not sitting on a ramp in Texas one day when an airplane  

backfires and the ramp is suddenly caught in a hail of cross-fire!!  

Yeee haww - Start shootin' boys, that damn guvamunt must be invading!



Hey - here's useful thread for this site while we're at it -- How to  

install an automatic machine gun in a Zodiac without shooting off the  

prop!  All in the name of homeland security of course.



If this whole discussion wasn't so nutty it'd actually be quite funny.



Fly safe! Shoot straight! LOL

GHTF In the Great RED North.

tiethoff

Joined: 02 Sep 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

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  Get rid of simple barbaric handguns. Think  big like all Americans...



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  From: paulrod36(at)msn.com (paulrod36(at)msn.com) 

 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:36 PM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand  guns

 



<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Forgive the ignorance of another barbaric American, but doesn't  Switzerland, the only European country never to have been invaded, REQUIRE that  all able bodied men own a rifle?  However, fear not--- we Americans, having  done it twice before,  can still remember how to liberate Europe. But the  question is, will we, or will Europe have to free itself next time, armed with a  bag of high quality hash, a bottle of Pilsener, and a pack of  Galoises?  I remember as a kid telling my uncle I was taking French in  school, and he told me he knew all the French an American needed to know: "Ou  sont les Allemagnes?"

  

 OK. let the flames (flambeaux) begin! On second thought, let me add a  little gasoline--The only people ever brought to this country against their will  were the Africans. So how come there's more Europeans here than black  people?

  

 And now, back to the original question. I wouldn't bother with a handgun  among the survival supplies. You can get a very nifty collapsible .22 - .410  over-and-under survival rifle (Remington, I think) for a couple of hundred  bucks, which weighs very little, and is good out to 100 yards.

  

 OK, prepare to flame,-----wait for it,-------FLAME!

  

 Paul Rodriguez

 601XL/Corvair

  

  

  

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hills(at)sunflower.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

USA crime rate highest in the world? Not at all. If you just count murders,

we are only number 24, Mexico is #6, and guns are ILLIGAL in

Mexico.....Hmmm.



My guess is, because of our legal and insurance system, crimes are more

likely to be reported to the authorities here (hence the higher crime rate)

then in other countries were you can't expect to capture the criminals, let

alone sue them or collect insurance money. 



( see web site for details)

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita



Roger

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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Thanks, Elden. Woody did a great job bringing the airplane out from Florida, even with the delays from extreme weather and a few minor teething issues.



Hope to see you at Corvair College #13, all sorts of good stuff is waiting in the wings.



Rick



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leo.gates

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
Posts: 35

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

My wife just came into my office and asked, "what is that clicking 

noise?"  I answered my delete key.



Do not archive



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Leo Gates

N601Z - CH601HDS TDO

Rotax 912UL

4RCSIMMONS(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

List,



My apologies asking the question about hand guns. No harm was intended!

I see I ruffled a few feathers.



Love your God your country and don't for get your heritage. Give respect and it usually is returned!



Now let's get back to building our airplanes!

Don't forget,

DO NOT ARCHIVE

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Thanks,

Rich Simmons

hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

[quote="ashontz"]Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US.



[quote="jaybannist(at)cs.com"]Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?  That is what the gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off)  (:>)

 

 Jay in Dallas

 Do not archive

 

   What that F**K has socialism to do with any of this?

In my opinion the majority of the violence in the US is caused by the fact that about every moron is allowed to carry a weapon. Why is it that in civilized countries (i.e. the old world) kids don't by accident blow their brains out  with daddies gun? Gas stations and seven-elevens aren't being robbed? A Vice President almost blows his friend's brains out? You guys really have to wake up and smell the coffee. The majority of the population consists of idiots and shouldn't be trusted with deadly weapons.



The way to go is: a ban on firearms and YES raise the damn taxes so I don't have to slam into a million potholes when I drive to work. Only people that have NEVER been abroad assume that the US has the best infrastructure in the world.



I have circumnavigated the globe and believe me; we're not much better off than a third world country. Our energy grid is outdated, our levies suck, the roads look like shit and our educational system is ranked one of the lowest in the world (Japan and the Netherlands are number one and two by the way). Hooray for capitalism!

That free market model really works well for us! Come on. Stop parroting what your parents and the GOP made you believe and form yourself an educated opinion.



I love this country but I do get sick and tired of people who think we're all that and a bag of chips. We can make this place so much better if we're willing to open our eyes and when we're adopting what works well in other parts of the world. And now back to flying, because that's one of the things the US excels in: our general aviation rocks. Sorry for the rant.

   

 

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FlyingMonkey

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
Posts: 4

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

A good airplane building site:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=2



Thank you all for your informative posts.



A good Politics site



http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5



They have promised not to discuss building airplanes , -since that is not why people visit the site-if we agree to stop discussing politics.   Sounds like a good deal.   (:

tiethoff

Joined: 02 Sep 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Sounds much like a European expat ! When do you go back ?



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From: "hansriet" <hansinla(at)mac.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:29 AM

To: <zenith-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns



 	  Quote: 	
		   



  	  ashontz wrote: 	
		  Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way 

 they can more easily shove socialism (communism with patience) down 

 everyone's throats. There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly 

 protected by the Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a 

 slippery slope here in the US.



  	  jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: 	
		  Why in the world should anyone want to 

 protect himself?  That is what the gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off) 

 (:>)



 Jay in Dallas

 Do not archive



   What that F**K has socialism to do with any of this?

 In my opinion the majority of the violence in the US is caused by the fact 

 that about every moron is allowed to carry a weapon. Why is it that in 

 civilized countries (i.e. the old world) kids don't by accident blow their 

 brains out  with daddies gun? Gas stations and seven-elevens aren't being 

 robbed? A Vice President almost blows his friend's brains out? You guys 

 really have to wake up and smell the coffee. The majority of the 

 population consists of idiots and shouldn't be trusted with deadly 

 weapons.



 The way to go is: a ban on firearms and YES raise the damn taxes so I 

 don't have to slam into a million potholes when I drive to work. Only 

 people that have NEVER been abroad assume that the US has the best 

 infrastructure in the world.



 I have circumnavigated the globe and believe me; we're not much better off 

 than a third world country. Our energy grid is outdated, our levies suck, 

 the roads look like shit and our educational system is ranked one of the 

 lowest in the world (Japan and the Netherlands are number one and two by 

 the way). Hooray for capitalism!

 That free market model really works well for us! Come on. Stop parroting 

 what your parents and the GOP made you believe and form yourself an 

 educated opinion.



 I love this country but I do get sick and tired of people who think we're 

 all that and a bag of chips. We can make this place so much better if 

 we're willing to open our eyes and when we're adopting what works well in 

 other parts of the world. And now back to flying, because that's one of 

 the things the US excels in: our general aviation rocks. Sorry for the 

 rant.





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