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dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

I'm trying to find a low cost, low profile GPS receiver that speaks RS-232 instead of USB.  If anyone can point me toward one, I'd appreciate it.  Everything I find uses USB.  

Background: I have a GRT Sport hooked up to a GNC300XL.  Everything works great, but the 300XL does not send the date/time to the Sport.  According to GRT, none of the panel mounted GPS's do (but all of the hand-held ones will - go figure).  This means that the time display on the Sport is useless, and the Logbook function shows all my flights taking place on 1/1/2003.  So, I figured I'd just hook up a second GPS - which the Sport supports.  

I bought a GPS 'hockey puck' receiver and it works great on my computer.  When I hooked it up to the Sport, no go.  When I asked GRT about that, they said even though the GPS is sending serial data, it is speaking USB, and the Sport only speaks RS-232.  I got an 'RS-232 to USB conversion cable" (has electronics to convert the protocols) but haven't been able to make that work either.  I did hook up a hand-held GPS receiver I have (an old Magellan 315) to the Sport, and that worked just fine, so I know what I want to do is possible, but I need a device that uses the right protocol.  Either that or help making the conversion unit work.  

Thanks,   

Dennis Glaeser  

RV-7A  Rochester Hills, MI     [quote][b]

kahuna

Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak/gps.php

from their website.

================

The GPS2 has a female DB-9 connector to connect directly to the

TinyTrak3Plus, is very sensitive, and is built with the SiRFstar III

chipset. It has the same DB-9 connector as the GPS1. It features Wide Area

Augmentation System (WAAS) to provide unmatched accuracy and performance.

It has an on-board rechargeable battery for fast satellite acquisition

during power-up, and requires 5V to operate. Tracking up to 20 satellites,

the Byonics GPS2 can be used with almost every major mapping software (NMEA

0183 v2.2 data protocol).

The GPS2 unit comes with a 6 foot cable, an internal magnet for versatile

mounting options, and is water resistant.

It draws 65mA typically, and will work to an altitude of 18 km and speed of

515 m/s. Weight is 3.6oz. See below for more stats.



This is a 5 volt GPS. Do not connect this GPS to 12 volts or it will be

destroyed. If using with a TinyTrak3Plus, configure J7 for 5 volts (the

bottom two of three square pads soldered together). Do not use directly

with a TinyTrak3 (non-Plus). If you have a TinyTrak3, you need a GPAC or

GPAP power adapter below.



 Byonics GPS2 - $69. The Byonics GPS2 employs the SiRF III chipset, sends

NMEA data at 4800 baud, and is directly compatible with the TinyTrak3Plus.

Requires 5 volts DC. Pinout: 2 - Serial Out, 3 - Serial In (not normally

used), 4 - 5V Power in, 5 - Ground. Sends NMEA sentences: $GPGSA, $GPRMC,

$GPGGA, $GPGSV.

==================

Mike



                                                                                                                                  

  From:       "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com>                                                                        

                                                                                                                                  

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  Date:       03/25/2009 11:34 AM                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                  

  Subject:    "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232                                                      

                                                                                                                                  

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I'm trying to find a low cost, low profile GPS receiver that speaks RS-232

instead of USB.  If anyone can point me toward one, I'd appreciate it.

Everything I find uses USB.

Background: I have a GRT Sport hooked up to a GNC300XL.  Everything works

great, but the 300XL does not send the date/time to the Sport.  According

to GRT, none of the panel mounted GPS's do (but all of the hand-held ones

will - go figure).  This means that the time display on the Sport is

useless, and the Logbook function shows all my flights taking place on

1/1/2003.  So, I figured I'd just hook up a second GPS - which the Sport

supports.

I bought a GPS 'hockey puck' receiver and it works great on my computer

etienne.phillips(at)gmail
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Look at the garmin gps-12 range... Low cost and pretty reliable. There's a 5hz version that spits out 19200 baud, which probably won't work with most systems, so be careful! There is definitely an RS-232 9600 version in the list though. 



On 25 Mar 2009, at 4:57 PM, "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com (dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com)> wrote:



[quote]    

I'm trying to find a low cost, low profile GPS receiver that speaks RS-232 instead of USB.  If anyone can point me toward one, I'd appreciate it.  Everything I find uses USB.  

Background: I have a GRT Sport hooked up to a GNC300XL.  Everything works great, but the 300XL does not send the date/time to the Sport.  According to GRT, none of the panel mounted GPS's do (but all of the hand-held ones will - go figure).  This means that the time display on the Sport is useless, and the Logbook function shows all my flights taking place on 1/1/2003.  So, I figured I'd just hook up a second GPS - which the Sport supports.  

I bought a GPS 'hockey puck' receiver and it works great on my computer.  When I hooked it up to the Sport, no go.  When I asked GRT about that, they said even though the GPS is sending serial data, it is speaking USB, and the Sport only speaks RS-232.  I got an 'RS-232 to USB conversion cable" (has electronics to convert the protocols) but haven't been able to make that work either.  I did hook up a hand-held GPS receiver I have (an old Magellan 315) to the Sport, and that worked just fine, so I know what I want to do is possible, but I need a device that uses the right protocol.  Either that or help making the conversion unit work.  

Thanks,   

Dennis Glaeser  

RV-7A  Rochester Hills, MI      	  Quote: 	
		  



	


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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Dennis,

 

 I bought a RS232 to USB converter cable from Radio Shack to communicate between my Dynon EMS and a laptop.  It never worked.  My son had one that did work and didn't even require the installation of special software.  I don't know offhand what his cable was, but I can find out if you want to go that way.

 

 Jay Bannister

 

   

 

   

 

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dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Thanks everyone for the quick responses.  Better results in 10 minutes than a few hours doing searches!  Lesson learned   

Mike - thanks for the Byonics link.  Their stuff never came up on any search.  Just ordered one.  

Etienne - the gps-12 is more than I need.  I want just the receiver.    

Jay - I was hoping the cable I got was like your son's, but apparently not. Hopefully the Byonics GPS will work and solve the problem.  I'll get back to you if I need to get the info on your son's cable.  

Thanks again!   

        Dennis  

    [quote][b]

etienne.phillips(at)gmail
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Once again, my fingers over-took my brain.



The GPS 12 is indeed not only way more than you're looking for, but is actually discontinued!

I had the GPS 18-PC in mind (and in my aircraft). 12V, RS-232, puck with magnetic mounting base:

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=158&pID=223

On 25 Mar 2009, at 7:44 PM, Glaeser, Dennis A wrote:

[quote]  

Thanks everyone for the quick responses.  Better results in 10 minutes than a few hours doing searches!  Lesson learned 

Mike - thanks for the Byonics link.  Their stuff never came up on any search.  Just ordered one. 

Etienne - the gps-12 is more than I need.  I want just the receiver.   

Jay - I was hoping the cable I got was like your son's, but apparently not. Hopefully the Byonics GPS will work and solve the problem.  I'll get back to you if I need to get the info on your son's cable.

Thanks again! 

        Dennis[b]

Norm Biron

Joined: 04 Feb 2009
Posts: 7

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  The Garmin GNC250XL is a panel mount unit that sends date/time  information.

  

 Norm

  

 Original Message ----- 

 [quote]   From: Etienne Phillips (etienne.phillips(at)gmail.com) 

   To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)    

   Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:49    AM

   Subject: Re: "Hockey    Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

   



   Look at the garmin gps-12 range... Low cost and pretty reliable. There's    a 5hz version that spits out 19200 baud, which probably won't work with most    systems, so be careful! There is definitely an RS-232 9600 version in the list    though. 



On 25 Mar 2009, at 4:57 PM, "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com (dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com)>    wrote:

   

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I'm trying to find a low cost, low profile GPS      receiver that speaks RS-232 instead of USB.  If anyone can point me      toward one, I'd appreciate it.  Everything I find uses USB.     

Background: I have a GRT Sport hooked up to a      GNC300XL.  Everything works great, but the 300XL does not send the      date/time to the Sport.  According to GRT, none of the panel mounted      GPS's do (but all of the hand-held ones will - go figure).  This means      that the time display on the Sport is useless, and the Logbook function      shows all my flights taking place on 1/1/2003.  So, I figured I'd just      hook up a second GPS - which the Sport supports.     

I bought a GPS 'hockey puck' receiver and it      works great on my computer.  When I hooked it up to the Sport, no      go.  When I asked GRT about that, they said even though the GPS is      sending serial data, it is speaking USB, and the Sport only speaks      RS-232.  I got an 'RS-232 to USB conversion cable" (has electronics to      convert the protocols) but haven't been able to make that work either.       I did hook up a hand-held GPS receiver I have (an old Magellan 315) to the      Sport, and that worked just fine, so I know what I want to do is possible,      but I need a device that uses the right protocol.  Either that or help      making the conversion unit work.     

Thanks,      

Dennis Glaeser 

RV-7A  Rochester Hills, MI  	  Quote: 	
		  



	






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dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Needless to say, I was surprised at GRT's comment about panel mounted

GPSs not sending the time, and based on your info maybe it's only IFR

units (?).  They all have it of course, but obviously some don't pass

that info along in the serial data stream.  I don't know why, and

haven't taken the time to investigate further.



Thanks,



	Dennis



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From:		Normand Biron 

Date:		Wed Mar 25 - 12:56 PM	

The Garmin GNC250XL is a panel mount unit that sends date/time

information.



Norm

longg(at)pjm.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:20 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

For 3k you only get so much...



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gyoung

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Posts: 211
Location: Republic of Texas

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Wow, what a difference a GPS makes! After looking at  that ugly, black, useless map page on the bench and then in the plane I'd  been unimpressed with GRT's map. Now I have color, airports, runways and  functionality I hadn't seen before. It just doesn't demo well without a working  GPS. Although I plan on using my GX-60 GPS it's not hooked up yet.  So I ordered the Byonics GPS2 to use while building and later as a backup.  I got it hooked up this weekend and it's wonderful. It's well worth the $75  (incl shipping) just to have everything work on the bench. Thanks for the  reference.

  

 Regards,

Greg Young - Houston  (DWH)

RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix

Navion N5221K - just an XXL  RV-6A

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		           From:    owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of    Michael W Stewart

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:38    AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re:    "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses    RS-232

   

   

http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak/gps.php

from    their website.

================

The GPS2 has a female DB-9 connector to    connect directly to the TinyTrak3Plus, is very sensitive, and is built with    the SiRFstar III chipset. It has the same DB-9 connector as the GPS1. It    features Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) to provide unmatched accuracy    and performance. It has an on-board rechargeable battery for fast satellite    acquisition during power-up, and requires 5V to operate. Tracking up to 20    satellites, the Byonics GPS2 can be used with almost every major mapping    software (NMEA 0183 v2.2 data protocol). 

The GPS2 unit comes with a 6 foot    cable, an internal magnet for versatile mounting options, and is water    resistant.

It draws 65mA typically, and will work to an altitude of 18 km    and speed of 515 m/s. Weight is 3.6oz. See below for more stats. 



This    is a 5 volt GPS. Do not connect this GPS to 12 volts or it will be destroyed.    If using with a TinyTrak3Plus, configure J7 for 5 volts (the bottom two of    three square pads soldered together). Do not use directly with a TinyTrak3    (non-Plus). If you have a TinyTrak3, you need a GPAC or GPAP power adapter    below. 



Byonics GPS2 - $69. The Byonics GPS2 employs the SiRF III    chipset, sends NMEA data at 4800 baud, and is directly compatible with the    TinyTrak3Plus. Requires 5 volts DC. Pinout: 2 - Serial Out, 3 - Serial In (not    normally used), 4 - 5V Power in, 5 - Ground. Sends NMEA sentences: $GPGSA,    $GPRMC, $GPGGA, $GPGSV.

==================

Mike



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dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: "Hockey Puck" GPS receiver that uses RS-232

Got my Byronics GPS unit and hooked it up yesterday - works great!

I was even able to pry the case apart so I could remove the magnet,

because I have it located on the glareshield in front of the Mag

Compass.

Another problem solved by the AeroElectric list.



Dennis Glaeser

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