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Mark.Gray(at)Takata.com
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I am in the same boat, I have a Firestar II that I will be getting rid of once the new bird is finished.
I have already been on the receiving end of a frivolous lawsuit and don’t want to go thru that again, just the lawyer cost will be more than I can sell it for.
I hope to see something positive come from this discussion.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: Destroying a KOLB ? |
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Mark C
Hello. Haven't heard from you before. Hi.
Talking to an attorney can be just as useless as talking some guy on the corner. I said "CAN BE"!! It depends on the attorney. They are as different as any other class of people. There are some good ones C and there are some worthless ones. The problem is C they don't admit to being worthless C but they will still take your money. Trust me on this one!!
In the course of being self-employed for more than 35 years C I hate to confess that I have had to deal with the legal system. Makes me sick C to be honest. However C I have read the law books for my own research C especially regarding product liability C mechantability C intended-uses C and in some cases C responsibility.
Hell C just because I like to hear myself think C I'll throw together a quick Hold-Harmless release form this evening. It isn't rocket science to sell an airplane C for Pete's sake!!
Now C for those inclined to argue with me C let me make sure I point out I am talking about PRIVATE citizens selling to other private citizens. An airplane manufacturer is a different story. But C even they cover their ass with a simple release form. Have some of the maufacturers been sued? Yes! But C that's because some lowlife attorney knew the manufacturer had insurance or assets to seize (read that big $$$).
Mike Welch
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From: Mark.Gray(at)Takata.com
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Date: Tue C 31 Mar 2009 09:12:47 -0400
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I am in the same boat C I have a Firestar II that I will be getting rid of once the new bird is finished.
I have already been on the receiving end of a frivolous lawsuit and don’t want to go thru that again C just the lawyer cost will be more than I can sell it for.
I hope to see something positive come from this discussion.
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: Destroying a KOLB ? |
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Keep it until you are dead. Let someone else sort it out. If you are listed as the manufacturer you are liable to the end. Once the
"company" has gone bankrupt the lawyers lose interest.
BB
On 31, Mar 2009, at 9:12 AM, Gray, Mark wrote:
| Quote: | I am in the same boat, I have a Firestar II that I will be getting rid of once the new bird is finished.
I have already been on the receiving end of a frivolous lawsuit and don’t want to go thru that again, just the lawyer cost will be more than I can sell it for.
I hope to see something positive come from this discussion.
Do Not Archive
Mark Gray
N229K
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MikeThanx for your input.
It's a sorry state of affairs when we have to have a lawyer in our pockets all the time, but there it is.
I've been self-employed for 50 years, and luckily have never been sued. They've tried, but I have METICULOUS paper records (tho I hate paperwork) and was able to fend them off.
But as you point out, even if you win, defending yourself will cost you a big bundle. We SHOULD make the loser pay all costs; this would eliminate thousands of frivolous cases. Maybe Obama will do this for us when he gets time.
But a good, properly-written HH release should hold. Could you share the one you write with us?
Lawyers usually go after the deepest pockets they can find, but lots of them have little to do these days & may tackle most anything.
FWIW
Russ K
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| Quote: | Mark,
Hello. Haven't heard from you before. Hi.
Talking to an attorney can be just as useless as talking some guy on the corner. I said "CAN BE"!! It depends on the attorney. They are as different as any other class of people. There are some good ones, and there are some worthless ones. The problem is, they don't admit to being worthless, but they will still take your money. Trust me on this one!!
In the course of being self-employed for more than 35 years, I hate to confess that I have had to deal with the legal system. Makes me sick, to be honest. However, I have read the law books for my own research, especially regarding product liability, mechantability, intended-uses, and in some cases, responsibility.
Hell, just because I like to hear myself think, I'll throw together a quick Hold-Harmless release form this evening. It isn't rocket science to sell an airplane, for Pete's sake!!
Now, for those inclined to argue with me, let me make sure I point out I am talking about PRIVATE citizens selling to other private citizens. An airplane manufacturer is a different story. But, even they cover their ass with a simple release form. Have some of the maufacturers been sued? Yes! But, that's because some lowlife attorney knew the manufacturer had insurance or assets to seize (read that big $$$).
Mike Welch
suedo know-it-all
From: Mark.Gray(at)Takata.com (Mark.Gray(at)Takata.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:12:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Destroying a KOLB ?
I am in the same boat, I have a Firestar II that I will be getting rid of once the new bird is finished.
I have already been on the receiving end of a frivolous lawsuit and don’t want to go thru that again, just the lawyer cost will be more than I can sell it for.
I hope to see something positive come from this discussion.
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Mark Gray
N229K
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: Destroying a KOLB ? |
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Mike
Before you pen this Hold Harmless...Check the EAA site...They likely have a pretty good one...
as my Cousin "the Judge" said...and my cousin "the lawyer" said.... The law ain't necessarily fair ; its just the law...!!
Herb
At 08:40 AM 3/31/2009, you wrote:
[quote]Mark,
Hello. Haven't heard from you before. Hi.
Talking to an attorney can be just as useless as talking some guy on the corner. I said "CAN BE"!! It depends on the attorney. They are as different as any other class of people. There are some good ones, and there are some worthless ones. The problem is, they don't admit to being worthless, but they will still take your money. Trust me on this one!!
In the course of being self-employed for more than 35 years, I hate to confess that I have had to deal with the legal system. Makes me sick, to be honest. However, I have read the law books for my own research, especially regarding product liability, mechantability, intended-uses, and in some cases, responsibility.
Hell, just because I like to hear myself think, I'll throw together a quick Hold-Harmless release form this evening. It isn't rocket science to sell an airplane, for Pete's sake!!
Now, for those inclined to argue with me, let me make sure I point out I am talking about PRIVATE citizens selling to other private citizens. An airplane manufacturer is a different story. But, even they cover their ass with a simple release form. Have some of the maufacturers been sued? Yes! But, that's because some lowlife attorney knew the manufacturer had insurance or assets to seize (read that big $$$).
Mike Welch
suedo know-it-all
From: Mark.Gray(at)Takata.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:12:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Destroying a KOLB ?
I am in the same boat, I have a Firestar II that I will be getting rid of once the new bird is finished.
I have already been on the receiving end of a frivolous lawsuit and don’t want to go thru that again, just the lawyer cost will be more than I can sell it for.
I hope to see something positive come from this discussion.
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Mark Gray
N229K
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