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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

Well, the first real result of the NTSB report has happened: the DPE I was

going to take my CFI-SP checkride with tomorrow postponed it until the issue

is resolved. We talked about it for a while, and I explained what I knew

about the issue; she said she'd think about it some more and let me know.



I've spent six months getting ready for the checkride. Now, I have no idea

when, or if, I'll be able to get it done. There's only one other DPE who

does CFI-SP checkrides in the region, and no FAA inspector does them. I have

no idea where else I could go within reasonable flying distance of KFRM.



I understand and respect her decision. I'm not going to ask anyone to get in

my airplane who's not completely comfortable with the choice.



I've got lots of words to use for the situation. None of them are usable on

this forum.

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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

Hi Jay,



I feel your pain.



I wonder if your thinking is a bit clouded on this whole issue.  Do 

you need your plane to do the check ride you are prepared 

for?  Perhaps there is another plane you can use to show your 

proficiency.  I understand you have been preparing for using your own 

plane, but I suspect a rental would work too.  It might require you 

spend a little time practicing with another plane, and it might 

require a trip to a location where an appropriate plane is 

available.  Both of those costs seem relatively small to me.  (But 

what do I know?)



Paul

At 04:46 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Well, the first real result of the NTSB report has happened: the DPE I was

going to take my CFI-SP checkride with tomorrow postponed it until the issue

is resolved. We talked about it for a while, and I explained what I knew

about the issue; she said she'd think about it some more and let me know.



I've spent six months getting ready for the checkride. Now, I have no idea

when, or if, I'll be able to get it done. There's only one other DPE who

does CFI-SP checkrides in the region, and no FAA inspector does them. I have

no idea where else I could go within reasonable flying distance of KFRM.



I understand and respect her decision. I'm not going to ask anyone to get in

my airplane who's not completely comfortable with the choice.



I've got lots of words to use for the situation. None of them are usable on

this forum.

--

Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI

jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:39:41PM -0700, Paul Mulwitz wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I wonder if your thinking is a bit clouded on this whole issue.  Do you 

 need your plane to do the check ride you are prepared for?  Perhaps there 

 is another plane you can use to show your proficiency.  I understand you 

 have been preparing for using your own plane, but I suspect a rental would 

 work too.  It might require you spend a little time practicing with another 

 plane, and it might require a trip to a location where an appropriate plane 

 is available.  Both of those costs seem relatively small to me.  (But what 

 do I know?)


	


I'm planning to start with my local FSDO and see if there's another examiner

I can try. When I set up this checkride, there was only the one (and the

Minneapolis FSDO doesn't even do CFI-SP checkrides); since then, one

inspector mentioned another, but the DPE herself told me that he wasn't a

CFI examiner. I'll get the real story tomorrow.



The big problem I've got is that I live 120 miles from the closest place

that rents LSAs. I'd also have to spend 5 hours in one just to get signed

off (insurance requirements), and also to get my flying in whichever one up

to CFI standards. That's not going to be something I can commute to easily,

so it'll take travel and hotel expenses, on top of the rental costs.



Another big problem is that my schedule is about to get quite full with

travel for work and vacations I've already paid for. It won't free up again

until mid-June at the earliest. I'd have to work transition training and

another checkride around all that. Getting the checkride scheduled is

problematical enough as it is.



Yes, I'm still highly pissed off by the situation, especially since it was

just a matter of a couple of days between the report and the checkride.

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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

man, you got to learn to live with some  disappointment.

  

  In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:13:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  jmaynard(at)conmicro.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    Zenith-List message posted by: Jay Maynard    <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com>



On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:39:41PM -0700,    Paul Mulwitz wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I wonder if your thinking is a bit clouded on this    whole issue.  Do you 

 need your plane to do the check ride you    are prepared for?  Perhaps there 

 is another plane you can use to    show your proficiency.  I understand you 

 have been preparing for    using your own plane, but I suspect a rental would 

 work too.  It    might require you spend a little time practicing with another 

 plane,    and it might require a trip to a location where an appropriate plane 

    is available.  Both of those costs seem relatively small to me.     (But what 

 do I know?)


	


I'm planning to start with my local FSDO    and see if there's another examiner

I can try. When I set up this    checkride, there was only the one (and the

Minneapolis FSDO doesn't even do    CFI-SP checkrides); since then, one

inspector mentioned another, but the    DPE herself told me that he wasn't a

CFI examiner. I'll get the real story    tomorrow.



The big problem I've got is that I live 120 miles from the    closest place

that rents LSAs. I'd also have to spend 5 hours in one just    to get signed

off (insurance requirements), and also to get my flying in    whichever one up

to CFI standards. That's not going to be something I can    commute to easily,

so it'll take travel and hotel expenses, on top of the    rental costs.



Another big problem is that my schedule is about to get    quite full with

travel for work and vacations I've already paid for. It    won't free up again

until mid-June at the earliest. I'd have to work    transition training and

another checkride around all that. Getting the    checkride scheduled is

problematical enough as it is.



Yes, I'm still    highly pissed off by the situation, especially since it was

just a matter    of a couple of days between the report and the checkride.

-- 

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hansriet

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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: First real result of the NTSB report

Jay,



Can't you just use ANY plane to do the check ride? Doesn't need to be LSA.

hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: First real result of the NTSB report

Guilty.



Do not archive

jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:41:32PM -0700, hansriet wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Guilty.


	


Wow...someone eve more famous, and deservedly so, than me...

do not archive

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jmaynard

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:00:47PM -0700, hansriet wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Can't you just use ANY plane to do the check ride? Doesn't need to be LSA.


	


I believe the CFI-SP checkride needs to be done in an LSA. Even if it

didn't, there's another problem for me: I'm operating without a medical

under the sport pilot rule, so I need to use an LSA (since the examiner

won't be pilot in command during the test, and someone has to).

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

Ya, I had to do my sport pilot check ride in an Ercoupe, as it was LSA legal

and the Cessna 152 was not.



Roger





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hansriet

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: Re: First real result of the NTSB report

So are you saying that the CFI-SP doesn't need to have a CPL (with a second class medical)?

Gig Giacona

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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: Re: First real result of the NTSB report

 	  hansriet wrote: 	
		  So are you saying that the CFI-SP doesn't need to have a CPL (with a second class medical)? 	




Of course they don't. For that matter a CFI doesn't have to have a medical to give instruction.

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hansriet

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: Re: First real result of the NTSB report

[quote="jmaynard"]On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:41:32PM -0700, hansriet wrote:

[quote] Guilty.



[/quote]

Wow...someone eve more famous, and deservedly so, than me...

do not archive

-- 

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http://jmaynard.livejournal.com       http://www.tronguy.net

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That's all relative Jay. I own a T-Shirt that reads, "I'm Big In Europe" and that pretty much says it all. LOL



do not archive

jmaynard

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Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 06:42:26AM -0700, hansriet wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   So are you saying that the CFI-SP doesn't need to have a CPL (with a

 second class medical)?


	


That's correct. See 61.403: a CFI-SP only needs a sport pilot certificate,

and does not need to have a medical at all.



A regular CFI doesn't need a second class medical, either; he only needs a

third class medical to give instruction if he's acting as PIC, else he needs

no medical at all. You can take the commercial pilot test with a third class

medical, as well; you only need the second class medical to exercise

commercial pilot privileges - and instruction is not among them.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

Absolutely correct on the CFI medical issue.



However,  Are you sure you want to teach and sign off other people to fly.

Talk to insurance companies about your responsibilities and liability as a 

CFI, CFI SP...

It aint worth the worry.  Trust me.........

Steve.



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Gig Giacona

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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: Re: First real result of the NTSB report

 	  notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote: 	
		  Absolutely correct on the CFI medical issue.



However,  Are you sure you want to teach and sign off other people to fly.

Talk to insurance companies about your responsibilities and liability as a 

CFI, CFI SP...

It aint worth the worry.  Trust me.........

Steve.



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Wow, I'll bet you are glad the guy that taught you to fly didn't feel that way.

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jmaynard

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 08:29:08AM -0700, steve wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Absolutely correct on the CFI medical issue.



 However,  Are you sure you want to teach and sign off other people to fly.

 Talk to insurance companies about your responsibilities and liability as a 

 CFI, CFI SP...

 It aint worth the worry.  Trust me.........


	


I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. At the moment, there's no demand

for a CFI-SP in Fairmont. I also have the minor matter of an aircraft to

instruct in, and that aircraft won't be my Zodiac unless I get more than a

few students to pay the $8000+ insurance bll for the airplane.



With that said, my goal in getting the rating is to share my love of flying

with others, and also, and not coincidentally, to improve my own abilities

as a pilot. My own flying has improved quite a bit just in the time I've

been working on the rating. Teaching also helps the teacher as well as the

student; just ask any CFI about that.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: First real result of the NTSB report

Times have changed.  Liability issues changed.

Actually I taught myself to fly.  That was a few decades ago.

I even recommended myself for the CFI rating and the FAA issued it to me... 

Go figure....



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