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deneals
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 Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
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In that situation, either in a helicopter or a fixed-wing, my scan of the
VSI gets prolonged for the two to three seconds of temporarily losing visual
just as in a glassy water float landing you wait for touchdown.
Tom F.
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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
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Tom, If I understand what you are saying, is that a missed approach, to
avoid those brief seconds descending through ground fog, is unnecessary.
I also believe that if you are established at 100 or so feet above
touchdown, you need not execute a missed approach but just let the plane
land. Am I wrong? Certainly wandering off the GS is looking for trouble.
Nico
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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
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No, I am not saying that a missed approach is unnecessary but when you are
talking about a brief loss of visual contact, such as what you would
encounter with a fog layer just above the ground, that by the time you
decide to overshoot had you delayed another two seconds visual contact would
be reestablished, of course as you say one must be in a stabilized approach.
I am more concerned with the localizer over the GS especially in a crosswind
situation.
Over the years of helicopter IFR offshore flying in fog I have conducted a
number of ITO's (Instrument Take Offs) and a few zero zero landings during
SAR missions. Of course a RadAlt and IVSI is desired.
When I received my fixed-wing float endorsement it happened to be dead calm
all week so under tutorship the only landings I knew were essentially
instrument zero zero type landings where you reduce your sink rate to
minimum and wait till you touched down.
My more exciting landing memories are landing helicopters on drill ships
with their helideck heaving 20 feet and rolling 15 degrees either side of
vertical, in the civilian world we did not have winch down systems to use,
you had to do a slope landing right at the top of the heave or you better
get out of there before the deck comes up to hit you.
I think the Commander would be a good tilt rotor.
Tom F.
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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
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Right on John, it is one of my pet peves to get pilots to stay on the glide
slope and land in the "Touch Down Zone", not go for the numbers!
Bill Leff
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