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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

Hi Phil,



You have every right to reach your own conclusion with regard to the 

safety of the Zodiac XL.  I just think bragging about taking the kind 

of chance you are taking like Scott did in his post is a questionable 

thing to do.  I can't see how anybody can be surprised that the vast 

majority of people think the Zodiac XL needs work after being 

grounded in several countries and so strongly criticized by the NTSB.



I don't think you understand the FAA.  My questions to the managers 

at the FAA indicated there is nothing they can do at this 

point.  They need to perform studies and then issue an NPRM which 

takes at least a year before taking any regulatory action.  Even 

then, they really don't have any interest in amateur built versions 

of the XL - only those that are factory built.  Those of us who 

choose to build experimental airplanes are literally free to kill 

ourselves any way we want in the FAA's view.



You are correct that the hired engineer in Germany and the retired 

designer of the XL indicated there is no problem.  For me, this 

doesn't hold much weight against the NTSB ruling.  However, as I said 

before, this is a decision each of us must make for ourself.



I just wish the Heintzes would go ahead and do the engineering 

necessary to satisfy the NTSB ruling so the rest of us can go and 

enjoy our Zodiacs too.



Paul

XL grounded

At 10:31 AM 6/14/2009, you wrote:

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		  Paul,



Larry, I and many others have considered the recommendation of the 

designer, the findings of the European testers, and the lack of 

action by the FAA and decided to go flying.  I was fortunate enough 

to be able to give a 10 year old his first flight in a GA plane last weekend.



Phil Maxson

601XL/Corvair

Ungrounded

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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

Paul Mulwitz wrote: "I just think bragging about taking the kind  of chance you are taking like Scott did in his post is a questionable thing to do."



Oh, Paul.  This is truly sad.  I think you should sell the XL, buy the LSA you're leasing, get on their email list, hire an engineer to analyze that other design, bug people on that list, and leave us alone.  Then at Sun-n-Fun 2010 you can yell at those nice people too. 



Please don't reply to this email. You're back on the ignore list.  Sorry man.



Phil Maxson

601XL/Corvair

Saddened, but not grounded

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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

The big difference here is that the engineers who did the GVT have  

actually studied this particular aircraft design in great detail while  

the Bureaucrats who wrote the NTSB report have not.

On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:



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 You are correct that the hired engineer in Germany and the retired  

 designer of the XL indicated there is no problem.  For me, this  

 doesn't hold much weight against the NTSB ruling.  However, as I  

 said before, this is a decision each of us must make for ourself.



 I just wish the Heintzes would go ahead and do the engineering  

 necessary to satisfy the NTSB ruling so the rest of us can go and  

 enjoy our Zodiacs too.




	


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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

Yes, Dave, it WAS nice around here while it lasted, wasn't it?



However, the sullied reputation of the 601XL will remain so until the hoopla is allowed to die down. Unfortunately, this may take awhile, ss evidenced by the negative comments gathered by those who've endured them and reported them here.



Frankly, I'm a bit stunned by the comments from those who choose to ignore the recent GVT data and continue to press the "fatal flaw" theory. Sure, the 601XL airframe is just not going to put up with the same abuse that other airframes might handle. But then, it's not stressed for aerobatics or intended for rough weather conditions.



I'm very fortunate to have access to several airplanes to fly, and I'll choose the right one for the mission at hand. The 601XL is a great, good-weather, fun-flying type airplane. If there's any weather involved, or anything beyond light to moderate chop, I'll take a different one.



It is what it is. It ain't what it ain't. Why is this so hard to understand?



Rick



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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

Paul, I thought we had told you to get lost. Your vituperative comments are  not appreciated.

  

 John  Read

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