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Dorsal
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dave
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Rotax 583 an old sled engine. Good power with a decent pipe but not with Skystar exhaust. Power band is over 6000 rpm to about 8000 or so ...... will scream. but not a good cruiser.
582 a more reliable engine as well.
my ten cents worth.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
Mike
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bw12345(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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This just came up on the EAA web site..As long as you can prove it was amateur built you can get it registered .But you most likely would not be able to get a repair mans certificate to do the annual.
BOB
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From: skyflyte(at)comcast.net <skyflyte(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:13 PM
#yiv64196706 p {margin:0;} There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
Mike
N490 582
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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| skyflyte(at)comcast.net wrote: | There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
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Actually the requirement to register as "Experimental amateur built" is that 51% of the aircraft has been built by amateurs. An amateur is anyone...even a professional aircraft builder...that does not take pay to do the work. They have done the work for their own education and recreation only.
The buyer of a partially completed kit just needs to be sure and get documentation from the previous owner that the work done so far was by amateurs.
| Quote: | | But you most likely would not be able to get a repair mans certificate to do the annual. |
The final owner/builder will need to do some care documentation and display knowledge of the finished aircraft to qualify for the repairman's certificate. It can be done.
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A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Robert Rivard <bw12345(at)sbcglobal.net (bw12345(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
[quote] This just came up on the EAA. web site..As long as you can prove it was amateur built you can get it registered .But you most likely would not be able to get a repair mans certificate to do the annual.
BOB
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From: skyflyte(at)comcast.net (skyflyte(at)comcast.net) <skyflyte(at)comcast.net (skyflyte(at)comcast.net)>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:13 PM
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
Mike
N490 582
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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This one should get a storm of responses. As I understand it, it doesn't matter who builds it so long as it is amateur built. There could be 5 people working on it together, but only one of them can apply for the airworthiness certificate or the repairman certificate. There are many kits out there that pass through several owners before completion. That doesn't preclude them from being registered experimental. Let the games begin!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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About 3 years ago C a flying buddy of mine bought an unfinished Avid Flyer A model. It had been covered and painted to the silver UV coats. No engine or instruments C ect C ect. No problem getting it registered as an experimental built C even though most of the paperwork had been lost from the first owner. He almost didn't get the repairman's cert. C but in the end C they gave it to him. Jim Chuk Avids C Kitfox 4 Mn.
From: fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay
Date: Mon C 14 Dec 2009 20:29:33 -0500
.ExternalClass P {;} This one should get a storm of responses. As I understand it C it doesn't matter who builds it so long as it is amateur built. There could be 5 people working on it together C but only one of them can apply for the airworthiness certificate or the repairman certificate. There are many kits out there that pass through several owners before completion. That doesn't preclude them from being registered experimental. Let the games begin!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert C in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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dave
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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yes and no for canuks.
You can register is a BULA - (basic ultralight ) and carry no passengers. AULA ( advanced Ultralight) require a letter of conformity from the manufacturer and that will likely be impossible to get .
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register it a homebuilt but you might have to uncover if for the first inspection.
If buying US plane you are better to buy one with 100 TT min in the log book and do an import inspection.. Plus it will be cheaper in the long run . for 16k you can likely get a 582 IV already flying or for 23 to 28 k a 912 model IV already flying.
Dave
[quote="aluminum.flyer(at)gmail.c"]A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Robert Rivard <bw12345> wrote:
[quote] This just came up on the EAA. �web site..As long as you can prove it was amateur built you can get it registered .But you most likely would not be able to get a repair mans certificate to do the annual.
BOB
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From: skyflyte(at)comcast.net (skyflyte(at)comcast.net) <skyflyte>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:13 PM
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase.� Since the project is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate.� You would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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Aluminum Flyer
Not true on several points, but not worth debating.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton AB
Kitfox IV-912
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:13 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay
A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Robert Rivard <bw12345(at)sbcglobal.net (bw12345(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
This just came up on the EAA. [quote]
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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On Mon, December 14, 2009 9:15 pm, Ted Palamarek wrote:
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Ted,
Since you brought it up, you've got the job of giving us some facts!  You can do it,
you're plenty capable. Canadians are listeners too!
At least give us a couple of links. Somebody might be able to buy that guy's 90%
complete Model IV with confidence then.
| Quote: | > Aluminum Flyer said:
> A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all
> the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
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Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
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425.241.1618 Cell
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The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the
taxidermist leaves the skin.
-- Mark Twain
"'Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.' We have heard that many
times. What is also the price of freedom is the toleration of
imperfections. If everything that is wrong with the world becomes a
reason to turn more power over to some political savior, then freedom
is going to erode away.... Ultimately, our choice is to give up
Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for
centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality,
even today. If you think government should 'do something' about
anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then
you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom."
-- economist Thomas Sowell
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men,
undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
-- Thomas Paine, The Crisis, No. 4, 1777
No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is
in session.
-- Mark Twain (1866)
"Maybe it's just me, but I find federal legislation titled 'The GIVE
Act' and 'The SERVE Act' downright creepy. Even more troubling: the $6
billion price tag on these bipartisan bills to expand government-funded
national service efforts. Volunteerism is a wonderful thing, which is
why millions of Americans do it every day without a cent of taxpayer
money. But the volunteerism packages on the Hill are less about
promoting effective charity than about creating make-work, permanent
bureaucracies and Left-wing slush funds. ... Taxpayers GIVE their money
to SERVE a big government agenda under the guise of helping their
fellow man. It's charity at the point of a gun."
-- columnist Michelle Malkin
"To cherish and stimulate the activity of the human mind, by multiplying
the objects of enterprise, is not among the least considerable of the
expedients, by which the wealth of a nation may be promoted."
-- Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufacturers, December 1791
"Without wishing to damp the ardor of curiosity or influence the
freedom of inquiry, I will hazard a prediction that, after the
most industrious and impartial researchers, the longest liver of
you all will find no principles, institutions or systems of
education more fit in general to be transmitted to your posterity
than those you have received from your ancestors."
-- John Adams, letter to the young men of the Philadelphia, 7 May 1798
In England the judges should have independence to protect the people
against the crown. Here the judges should not be independent of the
people, but be appointed for not more than seven years. The people
would always re-elect the good judges.
-- Andrew Jackson
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dave
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:25 am Post subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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this is the facts ..........
yes and no for canuks.
You can register is a BULA - (basic ultralight ) and carry no passengers. AULA ( advanced Ultralight) require a letter of conformity from the manufacturer and that will likely be impossible to get .
or
register it a homebuilt but you might have to uncover if for the first inspection.
If buying US plane you are better to buy one with 100 TT min in the log book and do an import inspection.. Plus it will be cheaper in the long run . for 16k you can likely get a 582 IV already flying or for 23 to 28 k a 912 model IV already flying.
Dave
| Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote: | On Mon, December 14, 2009 9:15 pm, Ted Palamarek wrote:
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Ted,
Since you brought it up, you've got the job of giving us some facts! You can do it,
you're plenty capable. Canadians are listeners too!
At least give us a couple of links. Somebody might be able to buy that guy's 90%
complete Model IV with confidence then.
| Quote: | > Aluminum Flyer said:
> A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all
> the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the
taxidermist leaves the skin.
-- Mark Twain
"'Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.' We have heard that many
times. What is also the price of freedom is the toleration of
imperfections. If everything that is wrong with the world becomes a
reason to turn more power over to some political savior, then freedom
is going to erode away.... Ultimately, our choice is to give up
Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for
centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality,
even today. If you think government should 'do something' about
anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then
you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom."
-- economist Thomas Sowell
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men,
undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
-- Thomas Paine, The Crisis, No. 4, 1777
No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is
in session.
-- Mark Twain (1866)
"Maybe it's just me, but I find federal legislation titled 'The GIVE
Act' and 'The SERVE Act' downright creepy. Even more troubling: the $6
billion price tag on these bipartisan bills to expand government-funded
national service efforts. Volunteerism is a wonderful thing, which is
why millions of Americans do it every day without a cent of taxpayer
money. But the volunteerism packages on the Hill are less about
promoting effective charity than about creating make-work, permanent
bureaucracies and Left-wing slush funds. ... Taxpayers GIVE their money
to SERVE a big government agenda under the guise of helping their
fellow man. It's charity at the point of a gun."
-- columnist Michelle Malkin
"To cherish and stimulate the activity of the human mind, by multiplying
the objects of enterprise, is not among the least considerable of the
expedients, by which the wealth of a nation may be promoted."
-- Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufacturers, December 1791
"Without wishing to damp the ardor of curiosity or influence the
freedom of inquiry, I will hazard a prediction that, after the
most industrious and impartial researchers, the longest liver of
you all will find no principles, institutions or systems of
education more fit in general to be transmitted to your posterity
than those you have received from your ancestors."
-- John Adams, letter to the young men of the Philadelphia, 7 May 1798
In England the judges should have independence to protect the people
against the crown. Here the judges should not be independent of the
people, but be appointed for not more than seven years. The people
would always re-elect the good judges.
-- Andrew Jackson |
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Dick Maddux
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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Deke,
You are right about the controversy but this purchase should be no big deal. This is just an experimental amatuar built airplane. If your aim is to get the airplane then you should have no trouble in getting the airworthiness certificate. As mentioned ,projects often go thru many owners before completed and licensed. Annual condition checks would be signed off by an A&P (as mine is every year)
If, however, your aim is to get the repairmans certificate that might be another story depending on how much completion you did and what qualifies.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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Hi Jim I bought a broken kitfox .I wounder if I could get your friends e-mail so I could talk about the process. Thanks Benny
From: thesupe(at)hotmail.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: KF IV for sale on eBay
Date: Tue C 15 Dec 2009 03:52:50 +0000
.ExternalClass .ecxhmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.ecxhmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} About 3 years ago C a flying buddy of mine bought an unfinished Avid Flyer A model. It had been covered and painted to the silver UV coats. No engine or instruments C ect C ect. No problem getting it registered as an experimental built C even though most of the paperwork had been lost from the first owner. He almost didn't get the repairman's cert. C but in the end C they gave it to him. Jim Chuk Avids C Kitfox 4 Mn.
From: fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay
Date: Mon C 14 Dec 2009 20:29:33 -0500
.ExternalClass P {;} This one should get a storm of responses. As I understand it C it doesn't matter who builds it so long as it is amateur built. There could be 5 people working on it together C but only one of them can apply for the airworthiness certificate or the repairman certificate. There are many kits out there that pass through several owners before completion. That doesn't preclude them from being registered experimental. Let the games begin!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert C in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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Ken Potter
Joined: 18 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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For importing into Canada Dave is correct. According to the Ministers Delegate Recreational Aviation (MDRA) It must have either 100 hr + AIR time (not just TT) or it goes back to the pre-cover inspection stage.
Heres a link to the MDRA Websight. www.md-ra.com
If anyone has experienced MDRA being lenient though I'd be interested because there are always great partially finished kits out there.
(I've been researching this with MDRA after seeing a Nieuport 11 on Barnstormers which caught my eye)
Cheers and all the best for the holidays!
Ken
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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Dick,
If my own experience is any indication, neither certification nor obtaining a repairman's certificate should be a problem. I purchased my model 2 in much the same state of completion as this 4 and the FAA was quite happy to provide me with both. I will concede that the outcome may depend largely on the documentation that comes with the plane and the individual who does the inspection, however.
If I could afford a wife and 2 airplanes, I'd jump on this one.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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Subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay
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Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:10 AM
Deke,
You are right about the controversy but this purchase should be no big deal. This is just an experimental amatuar built airplane. If your aim is to get the airplane then you should have no trouble in getting the airworthiness certificate. As mentioned ,projects often go thru many owners before completed and licensed. Annual condition checks would be signed off by an A&P (as mine is every year)
If, however, your aim is to get the repairmans certificate that might be another story depending on how much completion you did and what qualifies.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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Pat Reilly
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: KF IV for sale on eBay |
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Marco, The FAA issued my new KF registration with the original builders name as the builder. So, my airworthy cert shows him as the builder, even after I did a complete rebuild, hence the repairman's cert. request was denied. I would say that you can not depend on any logical rules interprutation by the FAA. Maybe the fact that I wanted the old N # assigned had some bearing. But, as far as I can tell the FAA, like organization rulings especially governmental, can dwell on one word of the rules out of context and arrive at a totally illogical conclusion. They ignored the 51% rule in my case. Just don't count on continuity of logic in FAA decisions.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Dick,
If my own experience is any indication, neither certification nor obtaining a repairman's certificate should be a problem. I purchased my model 2 in much the same state of completion as this 4 and the FAA was quite happy to provide me with both. I will concede that the outcome may depend largely on the documentation that comes with the plane and the individual who does the inspection, however.
If I could afford a wife and 2 airplanes, I'd jump on this one.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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Subject: Re: KF IV for sale on eBay
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:10 AM
Deke,
You are right about the controversy but this purchase should be no big deal. This is just an experimental amatuar built airplane. If your aim is to get the airplane then you should have no trouble in getting the airworthiness certificate. As mentioned ,projects often go thru many owners before completed and licensed. Annual condition checks would be signed off by an A&P (as mine is every year)
If, however, your aim is to get the repairmans certificate that might be another story depending on how much completion you did and what qualifies.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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