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sidsel.svein(at)oslo.onli
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 Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: Day VMC only |
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For over a year EAA Chapter 573 Norway has tried in vain to get our CAA to revise their decision 18 months ago to restrict flight with Experimental aircraft to only day VMC (i.e. no flying at night or in IMC, regardless of the individual aircraft’s instrumentation, lights or the pilot’s qualifications). EAA 573 is, however, not a directly affected party, so they cannot appeal this decision.
I therefore decided to file a protest to the Department of Transportation for the ruling against my aircraft, as a test case which could decide the future for all such aircraft in Norway. At long last, the CAA has now brought my appeal before the DoT for decision. Their only argument, which I think is a very meek one, is “our professional opinion – at a general level”. What does that mean??!! I have the opportunity to comment the statements made by the CAA in their presentation of the case.
I therefore ask all of you, in the different countries around the world, kindly to give me feedback on the following, at your early convenience:
In your country, with respect to Experimental class aircraft (in some European countries referred to as Annex II aircraft):
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>Is night flight permitted, provided the aircraft has the required lamps and lights?
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>Is flying under IMC permitted, provided the aircraft has the required instrumentation?
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>Approximately how many aircraft (Experimental/Annex II) are flying in your country (not limited to night/IMC-equipped/instrumented), i.e. total fleet of homebuilt aircraft?
For my British friends: Some time ago your organization (I do not recall its name) was preparing an appeal against a similar decision by your authorities. Did you succeed, or where does this issue stand at the moment?
Thank you!
Svein
LN-SKJ
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topglock(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: Day VMC only |
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Svein,
Here in the USA, all is permitted and there are thousands of homebuilts,
here. Many flying IMC and nighttime. Good luck in your quest.
Jeff - Baby Blue
500+ hours
On 4/23/2010 11:48 AM, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote:
| Quote: | For over a year EAA Chapter 573 Norway has tried in vain to get our CAA
to revise their decision 18 months ago to restrict flight with
Experimental aircraft to only day VMC (i.e. no flying at night or in
IMC, regardless of the individual aircraft’s instrumentation, lights or
the pilot’s qualifications). EAA 573 is, however, not a directly
affected party, so they cannot appeal this decision.
I therefore decided to file a protest to the Department of
Transportation for the ruling against my aircraft, as a test case which
could decide the future for all such aircraft in Norway. At long last,
the CAA has now brought my appeal before the DoT for decision. Their
only argument, which I think is a very meek one, is “our professional
opinion – at a general level”. What does that mean??!! I have the
opportunity to comment the statements made by the CAA in their
presentation of the case.
I therefore ask all of you, in the different countries around the world,
kindly to give me feedback on the following, at your early convenience:
In your country, with respect to Experimental class aircraft (in some
European countries referred to as Annex II aircraft):
- Is night flight permitted, provided the aircraft has the required
lamps and lights?
- Is flying under IMC permitted, provided the aircraft has the required
instrumentation?
- Approximately how many aircraft (Experimental/Annex II) are flying in
your country (not limited to night/IMC-equipped/instrumented), i.e.
total fleet of homebuilt aircraft?
For my British friends: Some time ago your organization (I do not recall
its name) was preparing an appeal against a similar decision by your
authorities. Did you succeed, or where does this issue stand at the moment?
Thank you!
Svein
LN-SKJ
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pete(at)lawless.info
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: Day VMC only |
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Jeff
Am I correct to think there are some bits of airway where you cannot fly in
a home built? It might have changed it is a few years since I did FAA
licences.
Regards
Pete
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paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: Day VMC only |
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Hi Pete,
I have flown my Europa in the US IFR system quite a lot and I am not aware of any Victor Airways that are excluded for home built aircraft.
I find it intriguing that I am processed in the system exactly the same as a 747 Heavy.
I am still waiting for that ATC Radio call that says "Europa N378PJ, slow speed to maintain spacing for LearJet ahead of you." Oh well, I can only wish....
I was once over the top of Class B airspace listening to ATC and heard them refer to me as "Type unknown, appears to be a high performance single".... but I still waiting for that elusive slow down for a LearJet call.
Cheers, Paul
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topglock(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: Day VMC only |
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Pete,
An excellent question. I've never run into a situation where I could
not fly my plane, other than posted TFR's, but then they apply to all
aircraft. Maybe in some of the busier Class B airspace, but I tend to
stay away from those places, anyway. I've never had a problem in class
C airspace and I can't easily reach class A, though I know those who
have, with ATC clearence. I'll bet FAA.gov (?) would be able to answer
your question...
Jeff
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Jeff
Am I correct to think there are some bits of airway where you cannot fly in
a home built? It might have changed it is a few years since I did FAA
licences.
Regards
Pete
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Day VMC only |
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There are different classes of experimental aircraft in the US.
Some types are restricted to certain areas or require FAA notification
to move. These restrictions do not encumber owner-built experimental
aircraft in practice.
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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: Day VMC only |
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Hi Svein
In Finland
1) night operations are ok also for experimentals (not allowed for ANY ultras).
- must have certain equipments like nav, landing and panel lights, heated pitot-static, TSO bank&incl. coordinator and ASI.
- we have about 5 experimentals permitted for night ops
- one of them is Comp Air 8 with Walter turbin.
2) IMC is not permitted for any experimentals.
3) we have about 100 real homebuilt aircrafts (not included modified Cessnas etc).
Attached one nice night flight departure photo. It was a formation flight with three Europas including two G-registered Europas following my OH-XRT. No problem, I permitted them for night ops here in Finland...
Raimo OH-XRT
From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen (sidsel.svein(at)oslo.online.no)
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:48 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Day VMC only
For over a year EAA Chapter 573 Norway has tried in vain to get our CAA to revise their decision 18 months ago to restrict flight with Experimental aircraft to only day VMC (i.e. no flying at night or in IMC, regardless of the individual aircraft’s instrumentation, lights or the pilot’s qualifications). EAA 573 is, however, not a directly affected party, so they cannot appeal this decision.
I therefore decided to file a protest to the Department of Transportation for the ruling against my aircraft, as a test case which could decide the future for all such aircraft in Norway. At long last, the CAA has now brought my appeal before the DoT for decision. Their only argument, which I think is a very meek one, is “our professional opinion – at a general level”. What does that mean??!! I have the opportunity to comment the statements made by the CAA in their presentation of the case.
I therefore ask all of you, in the different countries around the world, kindly to give me feedback on the following, at your early convenience:
In your country, with respect to Experimental class aircraft (in some European countries referred to as Annex II aircraft):
- Is night flight permitted, provided the aircraft has the required lamps and lights?
- Is flying under IMC permitted, provided the aircraft has the required instrumentation?
- Approximately how many aircraft (Experimental/Annex II) are flying in your country (not limited to night/IMC-equipped/instrumented), i.e. total fleet of homebuilt aircraft?
For my British friends: Some time ago your organization (I do not recall its name) was preparing an appeal against a similar decision by your authorities. Did you succeed, or where does this issue stand at the moment?
Thank you!
Svein
LN-SKJ
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