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 Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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Yep, only $11,050 fer 80 horses!
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Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Richard Pike
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Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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I think if I was going to hang that much weight on a MKIII, it would be
one of Bill Wynn's Corvairs. 110HP continuous, 200 ft lbs of torque, six
cylinder smooth, 10 pounds more weight including electric start and a
muffled exhaust.
For 1/3 the price. Snoop around his web pages. Too heavy IMO, but
interesting.
http://www.flycorvair.com/corvair.html#Engine%20Specs
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Hey guys,
Check this out. I learned this morning that a man has ordered a Kolb =
Mark 3 x-tra quick build kit and is having it shipped to these guys>>> =
http://www.skyray.us/ to have a Harley engine mounted on it!=20
This should be a very interesting project. I talked with Brett ay skyray =
and he is very excited about it!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp (maybe a Harley later)  =20
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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For all the times I have had to stop and wait for somebody in the troupe to
do a roadside repair and all the time I've spent fixing the mistakes of so
called Harley mechanics, all I can say is good luck. I've often referred to
radial aircraft engines as 3 1/2 Shovelhead engines, but the thought of the
old "Vibraglide" pushing me though the air is about as far I ever go with
it. For the price and the weight (whew, talk about a hog), why not get an
O-200 and rid yourself of the reduction drive? You'd still be almost 20 lb.
lighter.
On 4/28/06, Paul Petty <paulpetty(at)hughes.net> wrote:
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Check this out. I learned this morning that a man has ordered a Kolb =3D
Mark 3 x-tra quick build kit and is having it shipped to these guys>>> =
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Building Ms. Dixie
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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| Yep, only $11,050 fer 80 horses!
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Yep, the Harley is much cheaper by the pound than the 912.
john h
mkIII
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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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Paul/All
The Harley engine looks neat and it sure would sound nice but it isn't a
whole lot less than a 912.
The issues I would be concerned about would be vibrations. Harleys are known
to be big time vibrators already but you would have to add in the vibrations
from the interaction of the engine and the redrive. I have the same type of
redrive on my smooth running VW but the power pulses set up a harmonic
vibration that I have had to deal with. I can't even imagine what that
80-100+ V twin thumper would create in harmonic vibrations.What would it do
to a airframe? Check out the lengths Valley Engineering have had to go
through to tame the vibrations from their smooth running Generac V twin.
http://www.culverprops.com/index.php
Also that redrive is kind of tall. You would have to do some MAJOR work on
the cage to mount the engine low enough to avoid a high thrust line.
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Flying Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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Ralph Hoover
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Central Ohio
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb/Harley |
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I need to respond to the Harley vibration induced by the manufacturer. Which, by the way, when Honda was making their look alike, sound alike they were told that in order to get that potato-potato sound they had to make their engine much more inefficient, they laughed and looked at each other. Sure enough, until they put the crank pin where they put it, nobody wanted it. It didn't shake like the Harley nor did it (then or now) sound like a Harley to the tuned trained ear.
However, Harley took out the bouncing front fork that was their trademark and counterbalanced the engine. Now, unfortunately you can look out both mirrors and see the item coming up on you! Alas...No vibration. Good for airplanes and boats, bad for real men and the specifically designed external heart pump or vibra-lounger that we once knew and coveted. The last Harley I rode for 3 hours didn't cause not even one of my crowns or fillings to come loose. Where's the thrill in riding something like that?
And to the watching parts and pieces fall off, which the pans, shovels, knuckles and evo's were famous for, the new engines (over 60,000 miles on mine) still, hold together. Has to be the locktite!
No longer supporting the dental industry Ralph of Ohio.
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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Locktite 242, Ralph, is the miracle us Vibraglide riders prayed for. 14
years since I put my Shovel back together with it and I've never lost a
part. The tingling butt, though is unconquerable. I suppose I could get the
V Rod I ache for (word of warning, never take one for a test drive,
especially if you have a heavy fist), but it would probably develop a Vne
higher than the Mk III. No crazy drivers in the sky, okay, a lot fewer.
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I need to respond to the Harley vibration induced by the manufacturer.
Which, by the way, when Honda was making their look alike, sound alike th=
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their engine much more inefficient, they laughed and looked at each other=
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n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: Kolb/Harley |
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Saw "Hog-air" fly their demo plane at the first Sebring air expo, fall a
year ago. Was standing about 30 feet from the thing when they did a
full power runup...was ridiculously loud!!! The warbird guys would have
been proud. No way you could fly a couple of hundred hours a year in
that thing without hearing damage. Think Harley with drag pipes and add
the prop noise (typically the loudest source on a 912...) and all that
vibration rattling a metal airframe. (Demo plane was a Zodiac 601...the
skins vibrated like a banjo string)
If they were able to seriously muffle that engine and not loose a big
percentage of the power it MIGHT be interesting. Then the next thing to
consider would be is it an improvement in anyway over the established
engines out there (912's, Geo's, etc...) for the money they are
talking, you can buy a 80 hp 912... and I doubt SERIOUSLY that they
will match it for dependability.
They might sell a few as conversation pieces for the diehard Harley
fans...but judging from the fact that they have already changed their
name after a whopping 2 years in business... I'd bet business ain't
good...
Jeremy Casey
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