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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Wonder what Rotax will say about this----

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
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Wonder what Rotax will say about this----

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.

They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.

NOVEMBER SECOND!

In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pilot(at)ip6.com writes:
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: Silvano Gai <pilot(at)ip6.com>
I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

On 10/13/10 8:57 AM, Tucsonchris wrote:
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--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Tucsonchris"<gallchrisa(at)qwest.net>

Wonder what Rotax will say about this----

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:23 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

I don’t think that this is an appropriate forum for your political views Silvano… but wasn’t it the previous administration that approved ethanol?

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Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.



They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.



NOVEMBER SECOND!



In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pilot(at)ip6.com writes:
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I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Yes it was! and they wrecked the economy too with bank bail outs
sorry for being OT but couldn't resist it! I am UK btw
Graham
From: Les Goldner <lgold(at)quantum-associates.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010 18:19:58
Subject: RE: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol...


I don’t think that this is an appropriate forum for your political views Silvano… but wasn’t it the previous administration that approved ethanol?

From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Blumax008(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:56 AM
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol...



Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.



They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.



NOVEMBER SECOND!



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

I'm so glad that $800 billion dollar Stimulus plan worked out so well. Let's have another! Let's give Pelosi & Reid another 6 years! We can be another Sudan or Somalia before you know it & not have to register our aircraft because we won't have any! Hooray!

Remember...Obama in '12! Another winner!
Just think...Free drinking water! Free car washes!
Our Air Force will stand ready to defend us at all costs!
Your children can get jobs like this guy holding up this roof!
AND BEST OF ALL...NO MORE PAYING FOR GARBAGE PICK UP!
YES, BY ALL MEANS, VOTE FOR OBAMA, PELOSI & REID!



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Yes it was! and they wrecked the economy too with bank bail outs
sorry for being OT but couldn't resist it! I am UK btw
Graham


From: Les Goldner <lgold(at)quantum-associates.com>
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010 18:19:58
Subject: RE: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol...


I don’t think that this is an appropriate forum for your political views Silvano… but wasn’t it the previous administration that approved ethanol?

From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Blumax008(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:56 AM
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol...



Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.



They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.



NOVEMBER SECOND!



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Thanks guys for setting things straight. I was going to say something but figured there is no sense responding to someone who trades sharing flying expertise for their political agenda.
Ivan

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

No the previous administration did not approve alcohol. Even though he is an alcoholic, he claimed to have gone dry during his reign. LOL
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Ok, that's a little rich. The republicans played this same game,in fact they started it. If you all vote those clowns back in, nothing in terms of this food to fuel bull will change.

I see absolutely no change in the lifestyle of appearance of the US under the Democrats instead of the Republicans except Fox News is outraged instead of supportive.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Blue:

You are 1000% correct.
There IS a consperancy.
Think of it this way - When YOU make plans you think too the weekend, maybe to the summer six months away.  When the government makes plans they think 10, 20 & 30 years down the road.


Here in NJ - Our Senator is LAUTENBERG - He is YOURS also since he HATES General Aviation.  He fought head-on to get rid of GA in NJ but had a hard time of it.  So the LONG TERM - CONSPIRACY - APPROACH is:  Take a long time to approve the 91UL Gas - Add LOTS of ethanol to the auto gas AND this makes the CO$T of gas prohibitive. You don't have to fight head-on.  The populous that fly will slowly diminish the big originations (AOPA & EAA) will 
NOT have members and therefore NO CLOUT!  GOOD BY GENERAL AVIATION and GOOD BY EXPERIMENTAL.
There is more I can say but one hunk of bad news at a time.
Barry


PS:
This started with Clinton.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, <Blumax008(at)aol.com (Blumax008(at)aol.com)> wrote:
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Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
 
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
 
NOVEMBER SECOND!
 
In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pilot(at)ip6.com (pilot(at)ip6.com) writes:
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I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

You guys REALLY need to stop drinking so much tea.

This (ethanol subsides and related BS) started in 1978 and Reagan and
Bush I were supporters.
That conservative mouthpiece, the Washington Post, has come out against
the subsidies that make this nonsense not just possible but inevitable.
Likewise the environment movement has pretty much rejected the idea as
worthless

Without the subsidies, again, supported by Reagan and Bush, there would
little to no ethanol in mogas because it wouldn't pay the refiners to
put it there. Just maybe if the GOP and their pet think tanks would
allow election reform to happen, then Congress couldn't be bought (so
easily) by the cooperations that are propagating the BS.

This is not a political forum so I've already said too much. But this
misinformation has to be responded to.

Ron

On 10/13/2010 05:05 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
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Blue:

You are 1000% correct.

There IS a consperancy.

Think of it this way - When YOU make plans you think too the weekend,
maybe to the summer six months away. When the government makes plans
they think 10, 20 & 30 years down the road.

Here in NJ - Our Senator is LAUTENBERG - He is YOURS also since he
HATES General Aviation. He fought head-on to get rid of GA in NJ but
had a hard time of it. So the LONG TERM - CONSPIRACY - APPROACH is:
Take a long time to approve the 91UL Gas - Add LOTS of ethanol to the
auto gas AND this makes the CO$T of gas prohibitive. You don't have to
fight head-on. The populous that fly will slowly diminish the
big originations (AOPA & EAA) will
NOT have members and therefore NO CLOUT! GOOD BY GENERAL AVIATION and
GOOD BY EXPERIMENTAL.

There is more I can say but one hunk of bad news at a time.

Barry

PS:
This started with Clinton.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, <Blumax008(at)aol.com
<mailto:Blumax008(at)aol.com>> wrote:

Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
NOVEMBER SECOND!
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pilot(at)ip6.com <mailto:pilot(at)ip6.com> writes:


<pilot(at)ip6.com <mailto:pilot(at)ip6.com>>
I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite
aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

O% would be sensible.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

What's so funny about this is ethanol is _not_ a renewable fuel because it's not (self) sustainable. It requires a lot of petroleum to produce and in fact increases our dependence on petroleum.

Apart from that, concerning E15, I think and hope that it'll be simply another choice along with E10. If that's the case, we should be ok as long as E10 is still available.

If however they just force all gas to be E15, well, Rotax will be right back at square one having to test it and go through the whole process again.....

Maybe by then an unleaded avgas will have been approved and start showing up at airports?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

You haven't said too much Ron, these things need to be said
Graham
From: Ron Steele <rsteele(at)rjsit.com>

This is not a political forum so I've already said too much.  But this misinformation has to be responded to.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

That's why I "wash" my gas to remove ethanol.

Pete
On 10/13/2010 11:28 AM, Silvano Gai wrote:
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I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft
that has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

I would assume in the composite Aircraft Manual it specifies what to and not
to use. This is obviously not a Rotax issue but an airframe issue. If it
is a wet wing sometimes the tank uses a flocculant agent which is not
compatible with ethanol. My aircraft manual specifically stated this.
Always pays to read the aircraft manual carefully.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Ron:

Why did it start?


It is a case of 'one hand washes the other' - It is a case of government contracts going to the big companies - Boeing - Rockwell - Lear Sigler, etc. and where are they located?  On the East Coast - On the West Coast and in the Texas Area.  SOOooo when a bill came up in congress and the Senators in these three areas wanted the Senators of the middle states to vote for the bill, the Mid-State Senators said:  WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME?
HMmmmm Good question.... AHhhhhh we will subsidize your CORN GROWING.... GEEeeeeee How are you going to do that?
EASY!  We will get the EPA to SAY.... SAY WITH OUT PROOF... Or did you forget about the attempted bill/proposal that REQUIRED the EPA to PROVE what they say?  Guess you DID!  REMEMBER MTBE, the Un-Tested, Un-Proven and Un-Substantiated additive that was to reduce emission, improve air quality AND in the first advertising - Improve your gas mileage? Well, REMEMBER what it DID DO?  It polluted the ground water... It has a molecule so small that it penetrated right through the concrete pads of the gas station, it reduced your gas mileage by 10%, it was making people SICK... Especially the gas station attendants that worked with it all day & night long with it.  The illegal immigrant gas station attendants - That went to hospitals and put a further strain on MY (I don't know about your) Insurance rates.  All this because there ARE NO checks and balances and stupid statements made by the EPA are accepted WITHOUT ANY PROOF.  So maybe you should put down the tequila and start tea toting so you can get your brain wrapped around what is REALLY happening.  


STOP with the single minded rhetoric and REALIZE what BIG GOVERNMENT (no party alignment) is doing to YOU.  I know you don't understand what it is doing to the NATION.


Now, care to PROVE your statements?  Mine are proven - we don't have MTBE any more do we!


Barry

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Ron Steele <rsteele(at)rjsit.com (rsteele(at)rjsit.com)> wrote:
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You guys REALLY need to stop drinking so much tea.

This (ethanol subsides and related BS) started in 1978 and Reagan and Bush I were supporters.
That conservative mouthpiece, the Washington Post, has come out against the subsidies that make this nonsense not just possible but inevitable.  Likewise the environment movement has pretty much rejected the idea as worthless

Without the subsidies, again, supported by Reagan and Bush, there would little to no ethanol in mogas because it wouldn't pay the refiners to put it there.  Just maybe if the GOP and their pet think tanks would allow election reform to happen, then Congress couldn't be bought (so easily) by the cooperations that are propagating the BS.

This is not a political forum so I've already said too much.  But this misinformation has to be responded to.

Ron

On 10/13/2010 05:05 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:

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Blue:

You are 1000% correct.

There IS a consperancy.

Think of it this way - When YOU make plans you think too the weekend, maybe to the summer six months away.  When the government makes plans they think 10, 20 & 30 years down the road.

Here in NJ - Our Senator is LAUTENBERG - He is YOURS also since he HATES General Aviation.  He fought head-on to get rid of GA in NJ but had a hard time of it.  So the LONG TERM - CONSPIRACY - APPROACH is:  Take a long time to approve the 91UL Gas - Add LOTS of ethanol to the auto gas AND this makes the CO$T of gas prohibitive. You don't have to fight head-on.  The populous that fly will slowly diminish the big originations (AOPA & EAA) will
NOT have members and therefore NO CLOUT!  GOOD BY GENERAL AVIATION and GOOD BY EXPERIMENTAL.

There is more I can say but one hunk of bad news at a time.

Barry

PS:
This started with Clinton.



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, <Blumax008(at)aol.com (Blumax008(at)aol.com) <mailto:Blumax008(at)aol.com (Blumax008(at)aol.com)>> wrote:

   Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.
   They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally
   wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.
   NOVEMBER SECOND!
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       I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite
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       has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

       Be careful

       -- Silvano

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

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Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 12:56:19 PM
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Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.

They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.

NOVEMBER SECOND!

In a message dated 10/13/2010 12:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pilot(at)ip6.com writes:
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I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

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Wonder what Rotax will say about this----

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-EPA-expected-to-OK-apf-1210895536.html?x=0


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Gaggle:

This is not a political forum.  In a political forum they argue semantics and how to take the money and freedoms away from the populous.
Here WE are the populous and we have a common bond and a love for aviation.  But what WE don't have is what the politicians have and that is a UNITED FRONT.  


Chris, if YOU and everyone else that loves aviation doesn't get their heads out of the sand there is not going to be a General Aviation.  "Those that want it and fight for it will get it."  It does not matter if it is your rights to fly or their rights to tax you.  If you don't pull your head out of the sand we all loose.  


As I said before, the government learned a TRICK.  Why fight a head-on battle; when you can attack from the soft underside - MONEY.  Make gas so expensive that GA just dwindles away.
Then what do you do with all those airports?  Open spaced, flat land, good location, airports?  You turn them into CONDOS, HIGH TAX PAYING CONDOS.  On a hunk of land that is EASY to build upon.  Very easy, because the land is open spaced, flat land in a good location.  AND building expenses are lower because of it.  GO AHEAD ASK ME?  How do I know?


I don't want this to become a political debate.  Because it won't mean CRAP <-- got that Chris!
I want everyone to understand how things are changing.  The book of rules has been re-written.
And you don't know it yet.
Barry
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Just when you were getting used to 10% ethanol... Reply with quote

Ethanol has been around for many years. If memory serves me right back in the early seventies it was called gasohol. It was so popular that, pardon the pun, it died on the vine. The reason it, like a bad dream, has returned is the octane booster MTBE was found to be able to remain in the ground for long periods of time and it is carcinogenic. The idea of replacing MTBE was probably a good one replacing it with ethanol was a fools solution.

Ethanol must go but the oil industry has to find a decent replacement... OR... the engine manufacturers need to design engines that will run efficiently on low octane fuel. Note the word efficiently.

Noel

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I don’t think that this is an appropriate forum for your political views Silvano… but wasn’t it the previous administration that approved ethanol?

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Silvano...Me too! Engine failures.



They're not going to be happy until they've (Democrats) totally wrecked the country. Nov. 2nd. Don't forget.



NOVEMBER SECOND!



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I don't know what Rotax has to say but I have a composite aircraft that
has wing damage due to ethanol and I discovered I am not alone.

Be careful

-- Silvano

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