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radiobluebook(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot license

Hi everyone,



Just wondering how many of you have earned your Sport Pilot's license or did you find it easier to just get a Private Pilot license? I'm finding that it is a real hassle to get certified. 



 Duane

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donaho1(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot License

Duane, I got my Sport Pilot  License because I wanted to be legal 

flying my FSII. I was grand fathered in, and given credit for my ASC 

ultralight license. This made getting my Sport Pilot license a little 

easier. By NO means was it a cake walk. I still logged ten hours of 

ground school, and ten hours of flight instruction. Took and passed 

the written and practical tests. The closest instructor I could find 

was a two hour drive from where I live. Yes, it was a real hassle, 

especially since I had already been flying as an ultralight for so 

many years. However, in retrospect it was worth it, to not have to 

worry about being busted flying a fat ultralight. I would suggest you 

move forward with the SP certificate and soon the hassle will be in 

the past. You can always add on to the SP and become a PP.  Lanny 

Fetterman N598LF                     Do not archive

radiobluebook(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot License

Thanks for the reply Lanny. I do intend to press through and make it work. It's just frustrating that they make someone jump through a bunch of hoops when you already know how to do what it is they require.



 On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net (donaho1(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

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 Duane, I got my Sport Pilot  License because I wanted to be legal flying my FSII. I was grand fathered in, and given credit for my ASC ultralight license. This made getting my Sport Pilot license a little easier. By NO means was it a cake walk. I still logged ten hours of ground school, and ten hours of flight instruction. Took and passed the written and practical tests. The closest instructor I could find was a two hour drive from where I live. Yes, it was a real hassle, especially since I had already been flying as an ultralight for so many years. However, in retrospect it was worth it, to not have to worry about being busted flying a fat ultralight. I would suggest you move forward with the SP certificate and soon the hassle will be in the past. You can always add on to the SP and become a PP.  Lanny Fetterman N598LF                     Do not archive

  

 	


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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

Duane,



I don't mean to piss you off but risk doing so by the following statement/question. I apologize in advance if you take offense. 



Logisitics and expense asside, if you "already know how to do what they require" why is being tested to that standard frustrating?



I am no longer a practicing CFI-SP and am letting my certificate expire but can tell you from my experience that there are lots of sport pilots (as well as private and commercial too) flying around the skies who are not well prepared for anything out of the ordinary. Learning to fly better is a life-long experience and being prepared for the unexpected is a big part of that learning.



So, rather than looking at the need to get certificated as being a hassle, I suggest you look at it as a forced opportunity to learn more/better/different ways to do things. The only tests you need to take are the written and the check-ride. The rest is learning new/better/different things which will make you a better/safer pilot.



My BFR is due next month. I'm going to get my BFR in a Pitts S2 because I want to learn more about recovering from unusual attitudes and some basic aerobatic maneuvers. I've had a private ticket since 1966 and still consider myself a student of flying.

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Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

Duane, 4 years ago it was difficult getting the certificate as there were few aircraft to get trained in. I had to drive many miles to find a CFI who would do it for me. I had been flying the Firestar for 19 years and just needed time in a larger aircraft to pass the checkride. I did this before the grandfather period ended. I thought at the time that I would only be flying the single seat Firestar. Since then, I bought the Kolbra and I'm having a ball taking my wife along and giving rides. I think getting the Sport license is easier now as there are more Sport CFI's and aircraft to train in. It shouldn't be a problem except that it takes time and money.



Ralph

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: Sport Pilot license

Bravo Thom! Like the examiner told me as he handed me my ticket, "It's a license to learn". And one helluva great classroom, to boot.



Rick Girard



On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 Duane,

 

 I don't mean to piss you off but risk doing so by the following statement/question. I apologize in advance if you take offense.

 

 Logisitics and expense asside, if you "already know how to do what they require" why is being tested to that standard frustrating?

 

 I am no longer a practicing CFI-SP and am letting my certificate expire but can tell you from my experience that there are lots of sport pilots (as well as private and commercial too) flying around the skies who are not well prepared for anything out of the ordinary. Learning to fly better is a life-long experience and being prepared for the unexpected is a big part of that learning.

  

 So, rather than looking at the need to get certificated as being a hassle, I suggest you look at it as a forced opportunity to learn more/better/different ways to do things. The only tests you need to take are the written and the check-ride. The rest is learning new/better/different things which will make you a better/safer pilot.

  

 My BFR is due next month. I'm going to get my BFR in a Pitts S2 because I want to learn more about recovering from unusual attitudes and some basic aerobatic maneuvers. I've had a private ticket since 1966 and still consider myself a student of flying.

  

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 Buffalo, NY (9G0)

 Kolb Slingshot SS-021

 Jabiru 2200A #1574

 Tennessee Prop 64x32

 

 

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radiobluebook(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot license

Thanks for the reply Ralph. I spoke with the EAA and got a few of my questions answered. They guy who answered the phone was most helpful. If anyone else has questions about Sport Pilot's license you can call them at 920-426-6527. The gentleman I talked to was Tim.

 

Turns out I can't use any of my ultralight time as dual instruction as I originally thought. You can still use ultralight time for the solo portion of your training, but that's it. 'What that means is that I will need to get 9 more hours of instruction from another CFI and then go back and take my check ride. You also need to have the written passed and a recommendation from the other CFI before you go back to do the check ride.

 

As much of a hassle this is turning into, I think I will get my private pilot's license instead. 



Duane



On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ralph B <ul15(at)juno.com (ul15(at)juno.com)> wrote:

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 Duane, 4 years ago it was difficult getting the certificate as there were few aircraft to get the training in. I had to drive many miles to find a CFI who would do it for me. I had been flying the Firestar for 19 years and just needed time in a larger aircraft to pass the checkride. I did this before the grandfather period ended. I thought at the time that I would only be flying the single seat Firestar. Since then, I've bought the Kolbra and I'm having a ball taking my wife along and giving rides. I think getting the Sport license is easier now as there are more Sport CFI's and aircraft to train in. It shouldn't be a problem except that it takes time and money.

  

 Ralph

 

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 N91493 E-AB

 1000 hours

 23 years flying it

 Kolbra 912UL

 N20386

 2 years flying it

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radiobluebook(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot license

Thanks for the reply Thom. No offense taken and that is exactly the attitude I'm taking with this. I'm always game for learning how to fly better. The test doesn't offend me either and in fact I welcome that. It's the waiting for an instructor and expense that goes along that is frustrating. 

 

Duane



On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 Duane,

 

 I don't mean to piss you off but risk doing so by the following statement/question. I apologize in advance if you take offense.

 

 Logisitics and expense asside, if you "already know how to do what they require" why is being tested to that standard frustrating?

 

 I am no longer a practicing CFI-SP and am letting my certificate expire but can tell you from my experience that there are lots of sport pilots (as well as private and commercial too) flying around the skies who are not well prepared for anything out of the ordinary. Learning to fly better is a life-long experience and being prepared for the unexpected is a big part of that learning.

  

 So, rather than looking at the need to get certificated as being a hassle, I suggest you look at it as a forced opportunity to learn more/better/different ways to do things. The only tests you need to take are the written and the check-ride. The rest is learning new/better/different things which will make you a better/safer pilot.

  

 My BFR is due next month. I'm going to get my BFR in a Pitts S2 because I want to learn more about recovering from unusual attitudes and some basic aerobatic maneuvers. I've had a private ticket since 1966 and still consider myself a student of flying.

  

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 Thom Riddle

 Buffalo, NY (9G0)

 Kolb Slingshot SS-021

 Jabiru 2200A #1574

 Tennessee Prop 64x32

 

 

 If life gives you limes, make Margaritas.

 - Jimmy Buffet

 

 

 

 

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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302961#302961

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

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www.amateurradiobluebook.com

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

 	  radiobluebook(at)gmail.co wrote: 	
		  Thanks for the reply Ralph. I spoke with the EAA and got a few of my questions answered. They guy who answered the phone was most helpful. If anyone else has questions about Sport Pilot's license you can call them at 920-426-6527. The gentleman I talked to was Tim.

 

Turns out I can't use any of my ultralight time as dual instruction as I originally thought. You can still use ultralight time for the solo portion of your training, but that's it. 'What that means is that I will need to get 9 more hours of instruction from another CFI and then go back and take my check ride. You also need to have the written passed and a recommendation from the other CFI before you go back to do the check ride.

 

As much of a hassle this is turning into, I think I will get my private pilot's license instead. 



Duane



	




Duane,

Sorry, I'm a little late in replying.  I don't check the forum as often since I am  little out of commission right now.

I know your frustration with trying to get the SP.  Three years ago I had a hard time finding anyone who would teach SP and there was no LSA to rent (it's still that way around here).  By the time I got my own ELSA I had already went ahead and gotten my medical so I could at least solo in the C150.  Since I had gotten that far it was really just a few more hours to go ahead and get the PP.  I upgraded the software I had bought from Gleim and that was good enough to get me through the written test.  

I don't regret one minute of the extra training and now extra freedom (to fly more types of planes or at night) of getting and having the PP.  It was worth the extra time and expense.

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Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

radiobluebook(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot license

Hi Cristal,



My sentiments exactly. It will not cost much more to get my PP, so that's the route I eventually intend to take. So far all my training time will count towards that and I don't know why it all won't count. All I will need is 5 more hours training, another check ride, a medical and a cross country. I'm pretty close to that right now.

 

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 Duane,

 Sorry, I'm a little late in replying.  I don't check the forum as often since I am  little out of commission right now.

 I know your frustration with trying to get the SP.  Three years ago I had a hard time finding anyone who would teach SP and there was no LSA to rent (it's still that way around here).  By the time I got my own ELSA I had already went ahead and gotten my medical so I could at least solo in the C150.  Since I had gotten that far it was really just a few more hours to go ahead and get the PP.  I upgraded the software I had bought from Gleim and that was good enough to get me through the written test.

  I don't regret one minute of the extra training and now extra freedom (to fly more types of planes or at night) of getting and having the PP.  It was worth the extra time and expense.

 

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 Kolb Mark II Twinstar

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

 	  radiobluebook(at)gmail.co wrote: 	
		  Hi Cristal,



My sentiments exactly. It will not cost much more to get my PP, so that's the route I eventually intend to take. So far all my training time will count towards that and I don't know why it all won't count. All I will need is 5 more hours training, another check ride, a medical and a cross country. I'm pretty close to that right now.

 

	




The only thing you may have to watch out for is who you got your training from to start with.  If he was only a SP CFI then the hours may not count toward the PP (some new ruling they came out with recently).  You may want to ask EAA Tim about that one.

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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

Cristal is correct except that it is not a new ruling. BUT the FAA did issue a statement which made this clarification... clear.  This is one of the reasons I'm letting my CFI-SP ticket expire. 



This ruling makes no sense whatsoever, but it is what it is. 

Training by a CFI-SP does not count toward any higher rating. The solo work does but not the instructional hours.

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radiobluebook(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: Sport Pilot license

Not to worry. The only instructors in my area are for private pilots. All my time so far counts.

BTW, Tim is a great resource if anyone needs answers about Sport Pilot.

Duane

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:32 AM, cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com (cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 radiobluebook(at)gmail.co wrote:

 > Hi Cristal,

 >

 > My sentiments exactly. It will not cost much more to get my PP, so that's the route I eventually intend to take. So far all my training time will count towards that and I don't know why it all won't count. All I will need is 5 more hours training, another check ride, a medical and a cross country. I'm pretty close to that right now.

  >

 >

 The only thing you may have to watch out for is who you got your training from to start with.  If he was only a SP CFI then the hours may not count toward the PP (some new ruling they came out with recently).  You may want to ask EAA Tim about that one.

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dutrac

Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

Just thought I would post a follow up to this discussion. 



I have now completed all of my training towards Sport Pilot and am scheduled to take my check ride this weekend. All in all, I have probably spent around $1800 including gas to and from lessons which usually runs about $40 per trip. I have to say that I have a somewhat more positive attitude about training than I had at the beginning. It was well worth the money and I would encourage anyone else in the same position to embrace the opportunity and just go with it. The knowledge I have gained is far more than I expected. 



This was a learning experience for my instructor as well. He had never transitioned anyone from ultralight to sport, so we both had to figure out habits I had learned from ultralighting and then how to correct them. 



So long story short... Training was well worth the money.

gotime242

Joined: 09 Jul 2010
Posts: 52
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Sport Pilot license

I worked at a flight school for over 3 years, right around the time the sport-pilot thing was still pretty new. 



To get your license in 20 hours...sounds great. However just about everyone coming in expecting to do just that didnt get their license anywhere near that. By the time they were ready to actually pass a checkride they might as well just been going for their pvt pilots license. 



This is different because you have already been flying a bit with the kolb, but even so, i would say just go for your ppl.

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