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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:16 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

Does anyone have any advice or ideas on the best way to finish out the inside of the canopy with a full length overhead console?  I purchased headliner material from Airtex, but haven't experimented with it yet.  I just see all the compound bends around the overhead console and see it as going to be tough.  Painting sounds like the easiest way, but I think I'd like the soft feeling of cloth.... 



What have others done?

Thanks

-Mike Kraus



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rleffler

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:54 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

I'm planning on copying what several folks have already been successful with

their headliners.



Paint the overhead, vertical risers, and a few other places that won't get

covered with headliner material.



You can then glue headliner material to the cabin cover or........



Ask Geoff to about his new headliner product which will make putting the

headliner material on much easier as well as trimming out the rear windows.



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Lew Gallagher

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:01 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

Hey Mike,



We didn't have an overhead console, but we used the headliner cloth from 

flightline interiors -- it's just a woven material with maybe a slight 

rubberized backing.  Rattle-can contact cement on both surfaces and stick it 

up there.  Started with gluing the rough sized cloth down the centerline, 

then glued/shaped down each side.  No paint, minimal sanding/grinding to 

knock off obvious flaws, it covers everything and morphs around 

curves/joints easily.  I can't imagine the overhead would be a problem. 

Looks good, soft feeling etc. probably not much sound deadening;  but with 

headsets, what noise there is, is not a factor.



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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

I used a headliner that had a 1/4" thick foam backing.  Cut the backing about 1/2" from the edge and folded it to create a finished edge.  I then glued the headliner to the plane without going over sharp turn and corners creating panels instead of covering the entire exposed cabin.



It looks good but it is not a Cirrus interior. 



Rob



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 Hey Mike,

 

 We didn't have an overhead console, but we used the headliner cloth from flightline interiors -- it's just a woven material with maybe a slight rubberized backing.  Rattle-can contact cement on both surfaces and stick it up there.  Started with gluing the rough sized cloth down the centerline, then glued/shaped down each side.  No paint, minimal sanding/grinding to knock off obvious flaws, it covers everything and morphs around curves/joints easily.  I can't imagine the overhead would be a problem. Looks good, soft feeling etc. probably not much sound deadening;  but with headsets, what noise there is, is not a factor.

 

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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

I first tried the overhead console route but decided I didn't like having it

so close to my head.  I really only wanted it to hide the GPS antennas and

to hold a couple of overhead lights.  I figured out a much simpler way to do

both.



I used micro to fill and smooth the front half of the canopy, then final

painted it after assembly in the plane.  For the aft half I purchased a roll

of marine grade 1/4" foam backed vinyl headliner material.  I ended up not

liking the color nor the vinyl look.  I did like the product quality

however.  I purchased some fabric from DJ at Cleaveland Tools (she did my

seats - really good job) and used spray adhesive to glue it to the vinyl

side of the headliner material, then used the same adhesive to glue the

headliner into the canopy.  



Some specifics:

- One of the harder parts was fabricating a fiberglass trim ring to finish

the inside of the rear windows.  After a few failed attempts I did it the

easy way.  With the canopy off the plane and upside down, I used clear

package tape as the release on the canopy.  I used 3 bids of medium cloth

cut on the bias, about 2"-3" wide to lay up around the window.  After cure I

trimmed the end product to be flush with the inside edge of the window, and

about and 1 1/2" wide (narrower on the forward edge as it sits inside the

door frame pillar).  Some micro, sanding and paint and you are done.

- With the canopy final installed and interior painted, invert the fuselage

so that the canopy is upside down.  Use paper to make a template of the

overhead (small pieces cut and taped together), then take the template out

and use it to cut the overhead to fit.  Glue in the overhead.

- The did some tests on a variety of spray adhesives.  The 3M versions

simply failed all for strength and turned to goo when I put the test piece

in the sun.  The best product found is Permatex Heavy Duty Headliner and

Carpet Adhesive (orange can).  It is available at Advanced Auto and other

car parts places.

- Trim the headliner back from the window inside edge 3/4" or so (do this

before you glue in the overhead).  After the overhead is installed, use your

adhesive of choice to glue the window trim ring to the exposes 3/4" of

window fiberglass such that the inside edge of the trim ring is flush with

the inside edge of the canopy window opening, and the trim ring outer edge

overlaps the overhead liner by 3//4" or so.  Use clamps to hold it all in

place while the adhesive sets.  Put the windows in AFTER all this other

stuff is done.



I'll send some photos off list.



Carl Froehlich

RV-8A (600 hrs)

RV-10 (firewall forward)



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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:59 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

What do you want from the overhead console?

 I built one with two car type interior lighting LED lights, my Dynon GPS 

will sit on it and thus be hidden, It also covers the rear hinges and door 

retainer bolts/nuts. I painted it since the rest of my interior is painted.

Basically, grabbed some cardboard, duct taped it to the shape I wanted, 

three ply glass and some fine tuning of the edges to fit better all around. 

It's simple but meets what I wanted.

There are nice aftermarket glass as well as the SUV console many where 

putting in a couple of years back- $50-60 on ebay I don't recall which one 

it was but the archives may produce that answer, if interested.

I think it's worth covering the top even if with foam and cloth that is 

glued on, only issue there is you will lose access to anything that is 

hidden, specifically the 8 bolts, per side, holding the doors on. I would 

want to check that annually, as a minimum, to assure they are not getting 

loose, which I doubt they would, but still would want to have that option.



Best of success!

Pascal

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From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>

Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 6:12 AM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Overhead consoles and headliners



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 <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>



 Does anyone have any advice or ideas on the best way to finish out the 

 inside of the canopy with a full length overhead console?  I purchased 

 headliner material from Airtex, but haven't experimented with it yet.  I 

 just see all the compound bends around the overhead console and see it as 

 going to be tough.  Painting sounds like the easiest way, but I think I'd 

 like the soft feeling of cloth....



 What have others done?

 Thanks

 -Mike Kraus



 Sent from my iPhone

effectus(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

Mike,



I painted the whole upper canopy. Wanted to save a little weight and didn't want to deal with a detaching headliner in the future. Turned out very nice. 



Dave Hertner

#40164

C-GVMH

Working on engine wiring

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Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

I am very pleased with a painted headliner too.  

   

Robin  

       

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--> RV10-List message posted by: effectus(at)rogers.com (effectus(at)rogers.com)

 

 Mike,

 

 I painted the whole upper canopy. Wanted to save a little weight and didn't want to deal with a detaching headliner in the future. Turned out very nice.

 

 Dave Hertner

 #40164

 C-GVMH

 Working on engine wiring

 

 

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rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

Michael,



We went for the paint on our overhead console.   I designed and molded my 

own and wanted it to flow seamlessly into the canopy without any visible 

fasteners.   So glass work and body work and paint was the way for us. 

Here's the photo trail... 

http://picasaweb.google.com/rcnewman64/OverheadConsole#

Bob Newman

TCW Technologies, LLC.

www.tcwtech.com



N541RV.  (sand-fill-sand-fill-paint-sand-etc....)

mregoan(at)hispeed.ch
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

Hi folks,



I picked up on a comment yesterday about not wanting to have the overhead

console so close to the head.  Is there an issue, either in the front or

rear seats?  I'm 6ft 2".  



Gordon Anderson

Switzerland, #41015 - Starting tailcone



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Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

I don’t think so but 6’ and no hair.  

The OH console is one of the best mods for comfort (and additional function-Lights, Cable Routing, O2) IMHO.  

   

R   

       

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 Hi folks,

 

 I picked up on a comment yesterday about not wanting to have the overhead

 console so close to the head.  Is there an issue, either in the front or

 rear seats?  I'm 6ft 2". 

 

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rleffler

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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

I'm 6' 2" as well.   I've not had a problem in any of the RV-10s that I've

flown in with an overhead console.  I've flown with Aerosport Products,

Non-Stop Aviation, Accuracy Avionics, AirCrafters, and several custom built

overheads.   I had plenty of room with all.



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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

While on the subject.



I would like to let everyone know that Aerosport Products will be taking

orders for

Our new fiberglass headliners within the next week. We have a few final

details to work out.

These headliners will be light weight fiberglass that you will need to do

some simple trimming

And fitting to install. They are designed to be held in with Velcro, rear

bulk head cover, front

Shoulder belt attach bolt and our interior side panels if you have but not

necessary. It is designed 

To be covered with automotive headliner material which comes in many

different colors. This is a thin foamed

Back material the wraps the fiberglass piece very easily. You could also use

a material of your choice.

We will have a video on how to wrap your fiberglass parts once trimmed to

fit. At this time this is designed 

Just to cover from the back of the door back. See photos. You will not need

to have a overhead console

To install. We will offer it as a one piece or 2 piece option for people

without overhead consoles. It also 

Trims the window opening out very nice. This can be installed in flying

aircraft as well.  

For more Information please contact Aerosport Products.



Geoff Combs

www.aerosportproducts.com

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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: Overhead consoles and headliners

Geoff, great initiative.  Do you have a price for the headliners please?

  

 Regards

  

 Patrick Pulis

 Adelaide, South Australia



 

   From: Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tue, 2 November, 2010 7:41:02 AM

Subject: RE: Overhead consoles and headliners



While on the subject.



I would like to let everyone know that Aerosport Products will be taking

orders for

Our new fiberglass headliners within the next week. We have a few final

details to work out.

These headliners will be light weight fiberglass that you will need to do

some simple trimming

And fitting to install. They are designed to be held in with Velcro, rear

bulk head cover, front

Shoulder belt attach bolt and our interior side panels if you have but not

necessary. It is designed 

To be covered with automotive headliner material  which comes in many

different colors. This is a thin foamed

Back material the wraps the fiberglass piece very easily. You could also use

a material of your choice.

We will have a video on how to wrap your fiberglass parts once trimmed to

fit. At this time this is designed 

Just to cover from the back of the door back. See photos. You will not need

to have a overhead console

To install. We will offer it as a one piece or 2 piece option for people

without overhead consoles. It also 

Trims the window opening out very nice. This can be installed in flying

aircraft as well.  

For more Information please contact Aerosport Products.



Geoff Combs

www.aerosportproducts.com

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