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cristalclear13

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:17 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

I know it is not recommended to clean the idle and main jets, but was wondering if anyone has ever done it after they were gummed up and used them again (and lived to tell about it)?

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George Alexander

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

 	  cristalclear13 wrote: 	
		  I know it is not recommended to clean the idle and main jets, = = = snip= = = 	




Cristal:

Do you have a source for that recommendation?  I could understand that you would not want to use anything (tool/chemical/process) that would change (enlarge) the orifice(s), but don't know why cleaning otherwise wouldn't be OK.

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rickofudall

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Cristal, Why wouldn't you clean them? As long as you don't use something that changes the jet size, no problemo. I used a small sewing needle to clean out the idle passages and the jets in the Bing 54's on my 582 last year after they gummed up during a protracted rebuild of the airplane. Soak in carb cleaner, work out the softened gum with the needle, repeat until clean. After the carbs were balanced they work as good as they ever have. 



Rick Girard



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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Hi,

  

 If I thought I might damage the jet---( I don't think anything used with reasonable care would hurt them)--

 I would use a jewlers ultrasonic cleaner, they are cheap and you can clean jewlery with them later. (multitask).

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I know it is not recommended to clean the idle and main jets, but was wondering if anyone has ever done it after they were gummed up and used them again (and lived to tell about it)? 



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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Somebody recently suggested using a copper wire, obtained from stripping some stranded wire (like a piece of 14 gauge automotive wire).  Soft enough not to scratch the ports.

  

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John Hauck

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

I know it is not recommended to clean the idle and main jets, but was 

wondering if anyone has ever done it after they were gummed up and used them 

again (and lived to tell about it)? 



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Cristal Waters

Hi Cristal W/Gang:



I was always taught to use a piece of copper wire to clean carb jets. 

Copper is softer than brass.  Scrap multistrand copper wiring is a good 

source for the right size.



Don't use anything that would scratch and enlarge the jet.



Along with some carb cleaner and a good air hose.  Becareful with the air 

hose though.  It will launch a jet into never never land.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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cristalclear13

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

 	  rickofudall wrote: 	
		  Cristal, Why wouldn't you clean them? As long as you don't use something that changes the jet size, no problemo. I used a small sewing needle to clean out the idle passages and the jets in the Bing 54's on my 582 last year after they gummed up during a protracted rebuild of the airplane. Soak in carb cleaner, work out the softened gum with the needle, repeat until clean. After the carbs were balanced they work as good as they ever have. 



Rick Girard

	




I was getting my information from 

http://www.ultralightnews.ca/bing/bingjetchart.html

under the sections titled Bing Main Jets and Bing Idler Jets.



It says:

... jets on the Bing carb are replaceable. It is recommended that they be replaced if they are found to be plugged. This can happen when the carb is left with fuel in it for long periods of time. The fuel turns to sludge which plugs the jet. In this situation it is NOT recommended that the jet be cleaned and reused.



But on another page it talks about cleaning them with solution and air compressor.

http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/techtips/techtips2.htm

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Listers,

 Compressed air cleans the important parts of your carb.

 

   

 

  

   

 

   

 

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cristalclear13

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		   Becareful with the air 

hose though.  It will launch a jet into never never land.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama 	




That might be kind of funny (if the part didn't cost so much)! 



I could tell people I'm flying jets now.

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209GS

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Cristal,



To avoid that problem next time, empty your carb bowls if its going to sit idle any length of time. It only takes a couple of minutes to do, and saves alot of time and effort cleaning up later. (talking from experience)

cristalclear13

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

 	  209GS wrote: 	
		  Cristal,



To avoid that problem next time, empty your carb bowls if its going to sit idle any length of time. It only takes a couple of minutes to do, and saves alot of time and effort cleaning up later. (talking from experience) 	




Hi Gerard,

Welcome to the Kolb list.  I've been out of commission for almost a year having a baby (she came too early which caused me to not get my plane ready for long storage like I should have).

Did you know you can place your information in your signature line of your profile so that we can always know who 209GS is and what he flies (or plans to fly)?

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Frankd

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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Hi Cristal/Guys, 

I like your thoughts about JET flying... I'd log it if it happens:)



On the topic,  I just took apart my Bing 94/40 on my Jabiru 2200 due to fuel overflow during start after sitting for three years.  Chris Ambrose had an issue with the float needle and I found I had the same "Pink" needle , which was recommended to be changed to the "Black" tipped one which has a stronger spring to facilitate a better seal. (Info for the Jab guys) I have one on order and my engine # is 902. 



I had a friend who worked as a car maintenance manager and he brought along Pipe cleaners and used those to clean out the overflow conduit and fuel intake couduit.  Worked great on these bigger bores.  He also suggested standard car Carb cleaner in a can.  We did not touch the jets but I'd not hesitate to clean those gently and using fine copper wire for the smaller bores is now in my bag of tricks for the future.  

Just adding my 2 cents. 



frankD



MX3, 0 Hrs

Started engine.

Learning about Carbs.

Holister, Ca

Trying to get to airworthy state. 

PS, Congrats on your baby.

GeoB

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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

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		   I know it is not recommended to clean the idle and main jets


	


even with the fine copper strand, be careful.



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		   but was wondering if anyone has ever done it after they were gummed up


	


Sometimes the motorcycle jets I work on are too blame small for carb cleaner

to do much. Plus idle jets seem to be the ones that plug up first, being the

smallest.



I use a propane torch on them, holding them lightly but firmly with

needle-nose vide-grips. After getting them very hot I can usually blow out a

small amount of ash and have a clean idle jet.



GeoB

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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

I have been using an Ultrasonic cleaner for years, they are good for anything including the fuel injectors on my Beech. It works good. Instead of water you can fill it up with Kerosine or any potion that you want and they will do their magic. Strongly recommended as something that works. Besides once you remove your Kerosine you can put water and clean anything else that you want that fits there. I did a quick search and found a unit on amazon for about 36 bucks. Well, worth it. 



------   http://www.amazon.com/Haier-HU335W-Ultrasonic-Cleaner/dp/B0000BVGNJ  ------



I couldn't find the model I have but the above is pretty close in size to mine. It does not take long for the gizmo to get the shmutz out, if you look carefully you will see a little cloud come out when it first comes on vibrating. The injectors on an IO-360 are a bit bigger than the carb ones so they have more crap in them, I get a bigger visual effect than the Carb jets I would guess.



Ron (at) FHU



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		   I know it is not recommended to clean the idle and main jets


	


even with the fine copper strand, be careful.



 	  Quote: 	
		   but was wondering if anyone has ever done it after they were gummed up


	


Sometimes the motorcycle jets I work on are too blame small for carb cleaner

to do much. Plus idle jets seem to be the ones that plug up first, being the

smallest.



I use a propane torch on them, holding them lightly but firmly with

needle-nose vide-grips. After getting them very hot I can usually blow out a

small amount of ash and have a clean idle jet.



GeoB



I have been cleaning the injectors on my Beech for a few years using a sonic cleaner. I did a quick G-search and here is a cheap one from Amazon ---



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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

Thanks for the info and link

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GeoB

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:08 am Post subject: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

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		   I have been using an Ultrasonic cleaner for years


	


A wonderful idea. One would have thought *I* would have come up with it. 



I used to use one to clean my pen points when I was a draftsman long years

ago.



GeoB

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Bing 54 jets - cleaning?

While it is possible to damage jets I have found it easier to use wire to clean jets without damaging them then I have been able to clean my own rear with just toilet paper.  

For those that don't want to clean your dirty jet, send them to me, I will pay postage

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