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Kelly McMullen
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Also makes for safer first flight, when you don't have to rush things
worrying about glazing rings, etc.
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Thanks for chiming in.� When calculating comparable engine costs,� The value of a solid break-in can often help with other factors to reach TBO with the rings and related components.
John
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject: Engine Referral |
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Bill, the choice of AirFlow Performance is a solid one. Be sure and
research their "balancing their injectors" instructions. If you have
time, their Carolina hospitality is wonderful and the twice a year
training school well worth the time invested. Bring your aircraft!
John
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drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: Engine Referral |
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John:
Were you just referenced in the latest Popular Mechanics? In the
article on air safety?
I also have to keep on Rhonda's good side. I bought a Barrett engine
"second hand" and they have been nothing more than great in answering my
questions and helping on the install.
Fred Williams
515FW
See you Sunday at osh.
On 7/12/2011 10:11 PM, John Cox wrote:
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Bill, the choice of AirFlow Performance is a solid one. Be sure and
research their "balancing their injectors" instructions. If you have
time, their Carolina hospitality is wonderful and the twice a year
training school well worth the time invested. Bring your aircraft!
John
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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
[quote]From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
--> RV10-List message posted by: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com (sean(at)braunandco.com)>
So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" <wrathbun(at)ihtw.com (wrathbun(at)ihtw.com)> wrote:
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As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: Engine Referral |
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I've been amazed at Bart's service so far. Whenever I've
had a question, I call and get an answer. When I've needed
some gaskets or seals, he just sends them without charge.
It's been above and beyond.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 7/13/2011 10:30 AM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
| Quote: | I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market
make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others
are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed
on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is
still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
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So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
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rleffler
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: Engine Referral |
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Scott,
That wasn't the case at OSH last year. I agree that both Aerosport and Barrett do great work. I looked at getting rebuilds from both of them. �They were both several thousand more than Van's OSH deal. If you are cash strapped, it's hard to beat Van's OSH special.
With Barrett and Mattituck unable to sell new kits, it makes you wonder how long Aerosport will be able to do the same.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: Engine Referral |
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There is nothing wrong with a old, but in good shape, Narrow deck core. They are hard to come by but once located by Barrett or other reputable builder can be made to be very close to new specs.
I have no idea if Lycoming resolved the wide deck cracking issues they were having, hopefully they have by now. Also older technology are easier to replace (read less expensive) than the roller-tappets are..
A good engine builder can do wonders with anything given to them, in some cases better than a new engine from Lycoming that I don’t think is even “run in” before going out.
New isn’t always better, reputation of a builder is everything.
You want new, if one can get the Thunderbolt for 2K more than Vans, do that, If your cash strapped and want new, check out the Vans special at OSH. If you want a good engine and don’t care if it’s new or rebuilt, call the builders that have come recommended on this list, you wont be disappointed either way.
From: Bob Leffler (rv(at)thelefflers.com)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:12 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Scott,
That wasn't the case at OSH last year. I agree that both Aerosport and Barrett do great work. I looked at getting rebuilds from both of them. They were both several thousand more than Van's OSH deal. If you are cash strapped, it's hard to beat Van's OSH special.
With Barrett and Mattituck unable to sell new kits, it makes you wonder how long Aerosport will be able to do the same.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: Engine Referral |
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FYI all engines from Lycoming and thunder are ran in a test cell. My Overhauled engine for my old Cardinal thanks to Chevron was ran for 2 hours and a full report was with the engine. Thunder also runs all engines I think for the same amount of time. And they will do an extended run in, I do believe as requested by the purchaser for a cost I am sure Avgas is way to expensive to do free.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:04 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
There is nothing wrong with a old, but in good shape, Narrow deck core. They are hard to come by but once located by Barrett or other reputable builder can be made to be very close to new specs.
I have no idea if Lycoming resolved the wide deck cracking issues they were having, hopefully they have by now. Also older technology are easier to replace (read less expensive) than the roller-tappets are..
A good engine builder can do wonders with anything given to them, in some cases better than a new engine from Lycoming that I don’t think is even “run in” before going out.
New isn’t always better, reputation of a builder is everything.
You want new, if one can get the Thunderbolt for 2K more than Vans, do that, If your cash strapped and want new, check out the Vans special at OSH. If you want a good engine and don’t care if it’s new or rebuilt, call the builders that have come recommended on this list, you wont be disappointed either way.
From: Bob Leffler (rv(at)thelefflers.com)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:12 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Scott,
That wasn't the case at OSH last year. I agree that both Aerosport and Barrett do great work. I looked at getting rebuilds from both of them. They were both several thousand more than Van's OSH deal. If you are cash strapped, it's hard to beat Van's OSH special.
With Barrett and Mattituck unable to sell new kits, it makes you wonder how long Aerosport will be able to do the same.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com (scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com)
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com (sean(at)braunandco.com)>
To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
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So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Engine Referral |
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As I'll be shopping for an engine at OSH (mainly because of the Van's special), this is a timely discussion. So how does the re-built option work? Do you have to provide the builder a core?
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rleffler
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:48 am Post subject: Engine Referral |
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You can provide a core, but it isn't a requirement. Naturally there is a price difference on the two options.
Talk with Rhonda (at) Barrett, she can explain the process. Although I end up buying the Van's special, both Rhonda and Alan were extremely open and answered any question that I had.
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As I'll be shopping for an engine at OSH (mainly because of the Van's special), this is a timely discussion. So how does the re-built option work? Do you have to provide the builder a core?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: Engine Referral |
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Here is my 2c worth. In 2009, i went with the Van's special, as the
default option. I wish I had known more about the Thunderbolt option. If
the cost really was only marginally more, I would have seriously
considered that route. However, i thought the difference was more along
the lines of a few thousand, esp. give the extra $1k with prop offer.
The Thunderbolt options vs factory seems to give you:
- more customization: AirFlow FI, dsesicant plugs (i had to find my
own), maybe custom colors, and maybe more hand-holding. clearly, the
Lycoming factory is setup to drop ship engines to the Cessna factory or
some other production facility.
- $200 for 5 hours. what a deal! Factory does a 1 hour test run, i
believe.
- I had to do more install work like the engine mount ears (took a
bit of work) and FI unit.
In '09, i did talk with Aerosport, esp. about a rebuild. However, the
main issue was the availability of cores. Their supply was up and down.
The early builders had their pick of cores, but supply quickly disappeared.
Jae
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:17 pm Post subject: Engine Referral |
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Same with Barrett's, always available for questions and if I need something I need seals or to borrow a tool they always send it. You can't beat the family run shops that take pride in their work!
Michael
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rleffler
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:20 pm Post subject: Engine Referral |
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I got the afp injection on the vans osh special. It also was run for two hours. It was almost $4k cheaper than the thunderbolt when I ordered mine last year.
Look me up at camp Scholler if you want more details. I suspect my tent will be near where the old rv-10 hq used to be, or within a street or two.
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Here is my 2c worth. In 2009, i went with the Van's special, as the default option. I wish I had known more about the Thunderbolt option. If the cost really was only marginally more, I would have seriously considered that route. However, i thought the difference was more along the lines of a few thousand, esp. give the extra $1k with prop offer.
The Thunderbolt options vs factory seems to give you:
- more customization: AirFlow FI, dsesicant plugs (i had to find my own), maybe custom colors, and maybe more hand-holding. clearly, the Lycoming factory is setup to drop ship engines to the Cessna factory or some other production facility.
- $200 for 5 hours. what a deal! Factory does a 1 hour test run, i believe.
- I had to do more install work like the engine mount ears (took a bit of work) and FI unit.
In '09, i did talk with Aerosport, esp. about a rebuild. However, the main issue was the availability of cores. Their supply was up and down. The early builders had their pick of cores, but supply quickly disappeared.
Jae
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