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tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: Entry to the UK

HELP ! !

I was hoping to fly to the UK this weekend but I cannot find the required info & mail address to send my "Application" to.



Does anyone have an idea where I can find it.



It used to be called "Airworthiness notice 52" but the CAA site is such a disaster I can't find it again.



Bl...y Burocrats are going to mess up my weekend again.



Barry tennant

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Barry Tennant
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At EDLM - Germany

alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: Entry to the UK

Does this help?



http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=720&pagetype=90&pageid=3932



Alan

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On 30 Sep 2011, at 20:12, tennant wrote:



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 HELP ! !

 I was hoping to fly to the UK this weekend but I cannot find the required info & mail address to send my "Application" to.

 

 Does anyone have an idea where I can find it.

 

 It used to be called "Airworthiness notice 52" but the CAA site is such a disaster I can't find it again.

 

 Bl...y Burocrats are going to mess up my weekend again.

 

 Barry tennant

 

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 Barry Tennant

 D-EHBT

 At EDLM  -  Germany

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 121

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Entry to the UK

Thanks Alan.



Unfortunately the link for homebuilt aircraft leads to a list of deleted & replaced orders which indicate that notice 52 is incorporated in CAP 747 but I cannot find any mention of a homebuilt concession in CAP 747.



Perhaps they just forgot us ! !



However I don't like the idea of having to trailer the plane over the channel from Lydd if it really is still valid.



Any ideas are welcome



Barry

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houlihan(at)blueyonder.co
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: Entry to the UK

I guess the last few lines of the document refereed to by Alan Burrill is all you should need to know , possibly :<)



quote is"

Homebuilt Aircraft 

If your aircraft is homebuilt, you do not need to apply to us for an Exemption.  Please see Airworthiness Notice 52 for more information." 

The link points to some list of cancelled or moved documents but the first sentence seems pretty definitive to me.



Tim

On 30 September 2011 20:23, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)>

  

 Does this help?

 

 http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=720&pagetype=90&pageid=3932

 

 Alan

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 > HELP ! !

 > I was hoping to fly to the UK this weekend but I cannot find the required info & mail address to send my "Application" to.

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 > Does anyone have an idea where I can find it.

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 > It used to be called "Airworthiness notice 52" but the CAA site is such a disaster I can't find it again.

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 > Bl...y Burocrats are going to mess up my weekend again.

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 > Barry tennant

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tennant

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Entry to the UK

WOPPEE!!



I found it  -  page 441 - 444 of CAP 747.



The LAA really needs to take this up with the CAA befor other states start a tit for tat which will put pay to your European jaunts.



Thanks for your efforts Alan.



I hope that I get my "automatic reply" by the morning. Last time it did not come and I had to cancel.



Barry

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: Entry to the UK

The Document is here:  http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP747.pdf



An the bit you need is in Appendix 1 and is referenced as Section 2, Part 4, GC No. 6 Page 1 and onwards.

It includes the form and the email address to send the details required.

May be a bit late for this weekend now as I don't think they will respond over a weekend.

Alan

On 30 Sep 2011, at 21:14, houlihan wrote:

[quote]I guess the last few lines of the document refereed to by Alan Burrill is all you should need to know , possibly :<)



quote is"

Homebuilt Aircraft

If your aircraft is homebuilt, you do not need to apply to us for an Exemption.  Please see Airworthiness Notice 52 for more information."

The link points to some list of cancelled or moved documents but the first sentence seems pretty definitive to me.



Tim

On 30 September 2011 20:23, Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)> wrote:

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		  --> Europa-List message posted by: Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk (alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk)>

  

 Does this help?

 

 http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=720&pagetype=90&pageid=3932

 

 Alan

 #0303

 



 

 On 30 Sep 2011, at 20:12, tennant wrote:

 

 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "tennant" <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com (barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com)>

 >

 > HELP ! !

 > I was hoping to fly to the UK this weekend but I cannot find the required info & mail address to send my "Application" to.

 >

 > Does anyone have an idea where I can find it.

 >

 > It used to be called "Airworthiness notice 52" but the CAA site is such a disaster I can't find it again.

 >

 > Bl...y Burocrats are going to mess up my weekend again.

 >

 > Barry tennant

 >

 > --------

 > Barry Tennant

 > D-EHBT

 > At EDLM  -  Germany

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Read this topic online here:

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 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353646#353646

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: Entry to the UK

Ah my response has just gone and I now see you have found it must have crossed in the ether!



Good luck trying - CAA Don't normal work over the weekend but worth a try.



Alan



On 30 Sep 2011, at 21:22, tennant wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 WOPPEE!!

 

 I found it  -  page 441 - 444 of CAP 747.

 

 The LAA really needs to take this up with the CAA befor other states start a tit for tat which will put pay to your European jaunts.

 

 Thanks for your efforts Alan.

 

 I hope that I get my "automatic reply" by the morning. Last time it did not come and I had to cancel.

 

 Barry

 

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 D-EHBT

 At EDLM  -  Germany

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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tennant

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Posts: 121

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Entry to the UK

Thanks for your support Alan,



The system is such that there is an automatic reply which you have to carry with you. It was no problem and I had a superb flight to Cardiff direct from EDLM. Nobody wanted to see it, or even my passport for that matter!



On the way back yesterday we met up with Dave Bosomworth in the air over Goodwood as he had heared us on Solent Radar frequency.



Best regards



Barry

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At EDLM - Germany

alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: Entry to the UK

Glad you made it. 



Alan

Sent from my iPod



On 4 Oct 2011, at 09:45, "tennant" <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Thanks for your support Alan,

 

 The system is such that there is an automatic reply which you have to carry with you. It was no problem and I had a superb flight to Cardiff direct from EDLM. Nobody wanted to see it, or even my passport for that matter!

 

 On the way back yesterday we met up with Dave Bosomworth in the air over Goodwood as he had heared us on Solent Radar frequency.

 

 Best regards

 

 Barry

 

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 D-EHBT

 At EDLM  -  Germany

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:15 am Post subject: Entry to the UK

Barry, Just returned from Germany & Czech to find this correspondence. I am 

sorry that the UK is almost as difficult as Belgium about home builts, but 

at least they don't charge 80 euros for permission!! Since last year the 

situation is that you are required to send CAA information on the attached 

document by email (address on the document) and get acknowledgement and then 

bring Permit, Insurance, & registration documents with you along with a copy 

of the CAA acknowledgement document. You are only allowed to stay in UK with 

the plane for a maximum of 28 days on any one visit

         I will get this info and document onto the Europa Guide to Flying 

in Europe, which is on the Europa Club website.

Regards, David  Joyce, G-XSDJ

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tennant

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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Entry to the UK

Hi David,



I hope that you had a good trip.



What is the problem with Belgium?



I have been in and out of there often and always overfly without any problem.



Barry

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: Entry to the UK

Barry, Yes we had a fine trip (Dresden/Prague/Jena) except that homeward 

journey on Weds was in the face of strong head winds (max 47kts!!) all the 

way with 28kts, gusting 38kts on landing in UK, fortunately only 20 degrees 

off runway heading. Belgium requires prior permission for homebuilts and 

charges 80+ euros for looking at your papers. Certainly loads of planes fly 

from UK along Belgian coastline to Holland and haven't got shot down, but if 

involved in an incident there is scope for them to get nasty with you.

             I am in the middle of complaining to the Belgian government and 

EASA about it, having refused to pay, and in the hope of bringing them into 

line with the rest of Europe. Have you seen the Guide to Flying in Europe 

which details which countries demand PPR- copy attached?

Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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