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messydeer

Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Location: Bellingham, WA

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: Audio Design

Hi!



I haven't yet bought any communication devices for my Sonex. I plan to get a COM radio, intercom, a couple headsets, and a couple PTT switches. I've got an MGL Enigma EFIS that can transmit audio warnings that I'd like to wire into the system.  I'd also like to wire in an external audio device, like my cell phone which has an MP3 player and maybe an AM/FM radio or tablet computer. I think I'll pass on the DVD player.



My goal is to get something that's dependable and affordable with an eye towards upgrading. Suggestions on what to get and how to wire these guys would be helpful. 



Thanks

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Mike Welch

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: Audio Design

Dan,



  I sure do like Icom products!  An Icom IC210 would make a great com radio(or even an IC200).  It's super easy to hard-wire an intercom to,

which is what I did, or if I'm not mistaken, the IC210 may even have a built-in intercom (2 place).



  I needed the rubber "knob condoms" on my older IC200, (they dried out and cracked off) and when I told the parts 

guy what I needed he just sent them to me for FREE!!!  They even paid for the shipping.  I like Icom.



Mike Welch

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Mike Welch

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: Audio Design

Dan,



  Like this one:  



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avionics-Icom-ICA210-IC-A210-VHF-Communication-Radio-/330614367526?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&vxp=mtr&hash=item4cfa26e526#ht_500wt_754



  I see I messed up the model #.  It was supposed to be IC "A"210.   It's been many months since I was working with the radios.



Mike

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messydeer

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Audio Design

Thanks, Mike.



I've heard ICOM makes quality stuff. But it's a bit big, both in price and size. I just realized MGL has an intercom in their V10 radio. They're also releasing soon their newer version, the V6. Reports say these intercoms actually work well, as opposed to earlier combo units of a different technology from other manufacturers. They'll be around $1000.



If I go this route, it also simplifies things. Just connect the wires according to their diagrams. I got a little experience making a Dsub harness a few months ago, so I should be set.

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:19 am Post subject: Audio Design

Dan,

I was going to suggest sticking with MGL, but it looks like you've already "seen the light."



Personally, I'd go with the V6.  It's smaller than the V10 (2.25" vs. 3.125") and has more options, with remote head and such.  Either one will let you tune the radio from the EFIS, but I believe that the V6 allows even more control, using MGL's proprietary protocol (rather than SL30 or SL40 protocols).  The trick there may be in how to get the Enigma, with it's limited interface (screen size, number of buttons, and lack of knobs), to properly drive a complete radio.



Unfortunately, I already have a V10 and a 3.125" hole shoehorned into my panel for  it.

Keep in mind that MGL is about to release a transponder, if you are planning to install one of those.  Also, they sell harnesses for each of their units.  I think the V10-to-Enigma harness cost me $165.  They're made by FasTrack (sp?) and appear to be good quality - certainly far better than anything I could do, myself.  As a bonus, the ready-made harnesses will allow you to hear all the audible warnings produced by your EFIS.

Good luck!

 

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Thanks, Mike.



I've heard ICOM makes quality stuff. But it's a bit big, both in price and size. I just realized MGL has an intercom in their V10 radio. They're also releasing soon their newer version, the V6. Reports say these intercoms actually work well, as opposed to earlier combo units of a different technology from other manufacturers. They'll be around $1000.



If I go this route, it also simplifies things. Just connect the wires according to their diagrams. I got a little experience making a Dsub harness a few months ago, so I should be set.



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messydeer

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Audio Design

Thanks, Doug 



Radio



Here's what the V6 shows as being different from the V10, copied from their feature list:



Stereo music input with automatic fade down on intercom activity.



Two auxilary audio inputs, mono, for mobile phone and EFIS annunciator



V6 frequency list editor: (Windows, any 32 bit version)

This small program allows you to download and upload frequency lists to and from the V6 tranceiver. You can edit these lists and maintain several different lists if you like.



V10 is mono, although its manual mentions stereo. I read one of Rainer's posts on VAF saying it's mono, which makes sense if I read their pinouts correctly. V10 is on the left, V6 on the right below.



If the only difference between the units are the few extra features listed and its size, I may look at getting a used V10 from someone upgrading. I'd have space for either. 

Transponder



The transponder development is only now starting in ernest (pretty much a paper project up to now with the exception of some hardware we showed at Oshkosh). We had to get the V6 radio out of the way first - and that has now been done.



Above is a quote from Rainier 2 days ago. I also read they're looking at $1300, but would like to get it lower. I have an old TDR-950 transponder that I bought several months ago for ~$300 and have made up a harness to connect to my Enigma. For the price difference, I'll prolly stick with my used unit. I don't need a transponder to fly locally, so I may wait to install it at a later point, which would also allow me time to come up with money for the T6.[/b]

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: Audio Design

FWIW, I just installed a Flightline FL-760 and am very happy with it.          I replaced a Microair that was giving me problems. The FL-760 has an          integrated VOX intercom and an auxiliary input.              

         Jerry            

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