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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:49 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

hi all,

 i have a gas tank slosh question.

 i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.

  anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.

  then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.

 any opinions?

   bob noffs

 

  

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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

I can't answer your question about sloshing metal  gas cans but I did want to point out that auto fuel octane and avgas octane are not measured in the same way.  You cannot directly compare the two numbers.

Mike G.

Phoenix, AZ

Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Kitfox Series 6



On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:49 AM, bob noffs <icubob(at)gmail.com (icubob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]hi all,

 i have a gas tank slosh question.

 i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.

  anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.

  then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.

 any opinions?

   bob noffs

 

  

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

Bob,

 I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there  would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right.  The problem  with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof  cans are pieces of junk.  I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with  these spill resistant super safety designed cans.  The nozzles are  impossible.  I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the  nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the  first half of the fuel.  On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal  properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here  yet.

 Lowell

  



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 hi all,

  i have a gas tank slosh question.

  i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to  my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the  hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges,  measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the  pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and  $.70/ gal cheaper.

  anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal  containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems  in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass  filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it  anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i  think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have  some rust now.

  then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.

  any opinions?

    bob noffs

  

  

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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

mike,

 yes, i understand the rating differences.mogas at 93 octane has the same rating as avgas at 97-98 octane.

     bob noffs

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net (lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

 [quote]     Bob,

 I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there  would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right.  The problem  with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof  cans are pieces of junk.  I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with  these spill resistant super safety designed cans.  The nozzles are  impossible.  I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the  nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the  first half of the fuel.  On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal  properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here  yet.

 Lowell

  



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 Subject: gas tank slosh

 



 hi all,

  i have a gas tank slosh question.

  i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to  my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the  hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges,  measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the  pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and  $.70/ gal cheaper.

  anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal  containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems  in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass  filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it  anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i  think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have  some rust now.

  then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.

  any opinions?

    bob noffs

  

  



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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

Bob, Sounds like you already answered your own question. Por 15 is the only slosh I'd use. I used it on a motorcycle tank with similar results as you. I used Kreem on a street rod tank and had it come off in large patches. But, I wouldn't use slosh unless I had to. There is no way to be sure the tank is completely preped. Plastic gas cans are so inexpensive that even slosh would cost more.

  

Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

Rockford, IL

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net (lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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		       Bob,

 I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there  would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right.  The problem  with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof  cans are pieces of junk.  I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with  these spill resistant super safety designed cans.  The nozzles are  impossible.  I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the  nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the  first half of the fuel.  On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal  properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here  yet.

 Lowell

  



  From: bob noffs (icubob(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM

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 Subject: gas tank slosh

 



 hi all,

  i have a gas tank slosh question.

  i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to  my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the  hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges,  measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the  pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and  $.70/ gal cheaper.

  anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal  containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems  in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass  filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it  anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i  think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have  some rust now.

  then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.

  any opinions?

    bob noffs

  

  



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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->   Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility  found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success.  Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:

  

 http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false

 

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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

lowell,

 i have a wooden box attached to top of my step ladder. set the 5 gal can in it , then use a ''jiggle pump'' to empty contents into wing or cowl tank. takes 2-3 minutes. never spill a drop.

  last week i set up a 12 volt fuel pump [carter] mounted on a table and a separate hand held switch. i have a filter on the end that goes in the tank. pumps a gal./ minute. makes it easy to fill to filler neck and instant off when i flip the switch. and surprising there is stuff in the glass filter already. i may use just the pump with the filter.

  bob noffs

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Roger Standley <taildragon(at)msn.com (taildragon(at)msn.com)> wrote:

[quote]          Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility  found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success.  Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:

  

 http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false

  

Roger

  



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

Roger,

 Thanks for the tip.  I have seen those  before, but thought they were converted water containers and didn't know where  to find them.

 Lowell

  



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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->   Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility  found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success.  Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:

  

 http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false

 

Roger

  



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

Bob, I have thought of an electric pump.  Every  catalog that has them I look and dream.  Always used the plastic cans with  a towel on the wing.  Also always fueled at home through a Mr.  Funnel.  Lots of food for thought.

 Lowell

  



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 Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:36 PM

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 lowell,

  i have a wooden box attached to top of my step ladder. set the 5 gal  can in it , then use a ''jiggle pump'' to empty contents into wing or cowl tank.  takes 2-3 minutes. never spill a drop.

  last week i set up a 12 volt fuel pump [carter] mounted on a table  and a separate hand held switch. i have a filter on the end that goes in the  tank. pumps a gal./ minute. makes it easy to fill to filler neck and instant off  when i flip the switch. and surprising there is stuff in the glass filter  already. i may use just the pump with the filter.

  bob noffs

 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Roger Standley <taildragon(at)msn.com (taildragon(at)msn.com)> wrote:

 [quote]            Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility    found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good    success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:

    

   http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false

   

Roger

    



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     Bob,

     I have always used the plastic cans because I felt      there would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right.       The problem with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the      child/adult proof cans are pieces of junk.  I have never spilled more      fuel than I now do with these spill resistant super safety designed      cans.  The nozzles are impossible.  I routinely cut out the safety      latch system, but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when      refueling a car - can only empty the first half of the fuel.  On the      airplane, if the internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be      OK on the wing, but not tested here yet.

     Lowell

          



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     hi all,

      i have a gas tank slosh question.

      i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station      to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back      to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating      fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than      taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like      airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.

      anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal      containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no      problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up      with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner      must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would      work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been      used in years and have some rust now.

      then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.

      any opinions?

        bob noffs

      

     

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

On 7/3/2012 6:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote:

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		   Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found 

 at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good 

 success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:


	


The off-road guys have been getting hefty fines for using these in 

SoCal. Idiotic, I know, but there it is. If it doesn't say DOT approved 

can you're out of luck. Welcome to California.



Guy Buchanan

Ramona, CA

Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

Now a glider pilot, too.

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cliffh(at)outdrs.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:39 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

What ever you use make sure it is well  grounded.

 I built a metal 15 gal tank with a electric  pump.

 I thought that I had everything well grounded and then got  a shock off of the rubber hose. The gas flowing through the hose was creating  static electricy. I had to ground the hose nozzle to the pump frame and the  landing gear and the pump frame to the hanger metal frame.

  

 Floran Higgins

 Helena, Mt

 Speedster

 912ULS

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rick(at)5mike3.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:06 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

Guy, have you considered moving to New Hampshire 



Happy 4th!



On 2012-07-03 21:25, Guy Buchanan wrote:

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 On 7/3/2012 6:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote:

> Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility 

> found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good 

> success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:



 The off-road guys have been getting hefty fines for using these in

 SoCal. Idiotic, I know, but there it is. If it doesn't say DOT

 approved can you're out of luck. Welcome to California.



 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

Vic Baker

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 71
Location: Carson City, Nevada

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:11 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

Well advised Floran,  after feeling the hair on my  arm raised from static electricity while fueling from a non-metallic tank years  ago I would never use anything except a metal "safety" tank for aircraft  fueling. (ground it to the aircraft frame and fuel cap by  momentarily touching both before removing fuel cap) Or your method with a  well grounded tank and nozzle.

 Vic

  

 Vic Baker

 Carson City, Nv

 Series 7 912ULS Warp

  

  

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I  

soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank  

filler necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the  

rear wing pivot point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the  

job is very well concealed.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)

Status: flying with 1303 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)





On Jul 4, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Vic Baker wrote:



[quote] Well advised Floran,  after feeling the hair on my arm raised from  

 static electricity while fueling from a non-metallic tank years ago  

 I would never use anything except a metal "safety" tank for  

 aircraft fueling. (ground it to the aircraft frame and fuel cap by  

 momentarily touching both before removing fuel cap) Or your method  

 with a well grounded tank and nozzle.

 Vic



 Vic Baker

 Carson City, Nv

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

On 7/4/2012 8:34 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:

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		   When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I 

 soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank 

 filler necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the 

 rear wing pivot point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the job 

 is very well concealed. 


	


Wish mine had been done. I use an external wire to connect the filler 

neck to ground whenever I tank. Doubt it's necessary, but I don't want 

to try the experiment.



Guy Buchanan

Ramona, CA

Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

Now a glider pilot, too.

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

bobnoffs

Joined: 04 Jul 2012
Posts: 132
Location: northern wi.

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

the other shoe just hit the floor. i have been worrying about grounding. any other advice on that out there?

 bob noffs

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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 On 7/4/2012 8:34 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:

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		   When I was building my plane, this subject of static came up and I soldered some 1/4" braided and plated copper strap to the fuel tank filler necks. I ran the braid down the wing and attached it to the rear wing pivot point. This was prior to covering the wing, so the job is very well concealed. 

  	
 



 Wish mine had been done. I use an external wire to connect the filler neck to ground whenever I tank. Doubt it's necessary, but I don't want to try the experiment.

 

 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

 

 

 



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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: gas tank slosh

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I guess I'm left wondering what others do when refueling their lawn  mower, ATVs, chain saws, weed wackers and most of all, their CARS!!! How  is refueling a plane any different?

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: gas tank slosh

Beats me, but I don't want to find out the hard (expensive) way.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)

Status: flying with 1303 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)

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On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote:



[quote] I guess I'm left wondering what others do when refueling their lawn  

 mower, ATVs, chain saws, weed wackers and most of all, their  

 CARS!!! How is refueling a plane any different?

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