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alienwes

Joined: 11 Dec 2012
Posts: 64
Location: Roswell, NM

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

Hi everyone,



Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate benefits of both.



Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.

Kolb can take regular gas

Kolb has better performance/climb

Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33

Kolb has less annual costs



Cessna is cheaper to start with

AV gas is higher

Annuals are higher

Needs hangar

Flies faster/farther



Anything I am missing here?

What are others operating cost per hour?



Thanks,



Wes

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

On 02/17/2013 08:52 PM, alienwes wrote:

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 Hi everyone,



 Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate benefits of both.



 Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.

 Kolb can take regular gas

 Kolb has better performance/climb

 Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33

 Kolb has less annual costs



 Cessna is cheaper to start with

 AV gas is higher

 Annuals are higher

 Needs hangar

 Flies faster/farther



 Anything I am missing here?

 What are others operating cost per hour?



 Thanks,



 Wes



 --------

 Wesley Elliott

Sport Pilot-PPC
	




You really need to define your 'mission'. The Cessna could be moderately 

useful for travel, even for 2 (small) people. But probably a lot less 

fun than the Kolb.



You can purchase an auto fuel STC for it, assuming you can find alcohol 

free mogas in your area. But it will almost certainly burn more of it. 

Medicals have gotten expensive where I live, even if you have no trouble 

passing them. You don't really *need* a hangar for a Cessna; it just 

keeps it in better shape.  Annuals can be really cheap if nothing's 

wrong & the IA will let you do all the work, but if he isn't 

accommodating, they can be really expensive. Also, there's the ever 

present threat of AD's. Any time the ownership of a particular product 

on the plane (carb, mags, engine parts, Anything) changes hands, there 

will be an $AD$ on that product. Count on it. A friend purchased an old 

150 that had been out of annual for several years. He paid something 

like 8-9 thousand for the plane, with a ferry permit to get it home. The 

1st annual (before he could fly it again) included rebuilding a twisted 

wing & cost more than the plane. Only anecdotal, but it's not that 

unusual with older planes.



How familiar are you with the history of each plane?



Charlie

(Cessna's are only fun until you fly something better....)

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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

Wes,you didn't say if you have your pilots license or not.Cessna's take G.A. certificate,Kolbs Sport pilot certificate.G.A.takes 40 hours,Sport takes 20.National average for GA is close to 70hours.Sport is closer to 30 to 35.Makes a big difference in cost to start flying.

 

  Gary Jindra



 Mark 3 117 hrs.



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Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 9:52:52 PM

Subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs



--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com (elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com)>



Hi everyone,



Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate  benefits of both.



Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.

Kolb can take regular gas

Kolb has better performance/climb

Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33

Kolb has less annual costs



Cessna is cheaper to start with

AV gas is higher

Annuals are higher

Needs hangar

Flies faster/farther



Anything I am missing here?

What are others operating cost per hour?



Thanks,



Wes



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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:45 am Post subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

You can do all the maintenance on a Kolb yourself; you only need an A&P for the annual.  The Cessna needs an A&P signoff for all maintenance other than a short list of simple preventative maintenance.



 A Kolb will eventually need a fabric recover job, the Cessna won't.



 At 14K the Cessna sounds like a great deal if it's in good shape.



 With a Kolb you're part of a great community, both Kolb guys and the larger experimental community.  With a Cessna... well... it's just a Cessna...



 But most important:  the Kolb will be a lot more FUN!



 -Dana



 

 At 09:52 PM 2/17/2013, alienwes wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>



 Hi everyone,



 Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate benefits of both.



 Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.

 Kolb can take regular gas

 Kolb has better performance/climb

 Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33

 Kolb has less annual costs



 Cessna is cheaper to start with

 AV gas is higher

 Annuals are higher

 Needs hangar

 Flies faster/farther



 Anything I am missing here?

 What are others operating cost per hour?



 Thanks,



 Wes



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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:52 am Post subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

Wes,  I was in the same boat, Wanted another Kolb bad but also wanted a 4 

cycle.

Could not afford anything with a 912, Jabiru or HKS. Ended up buying a nice 

Ercoupe, love the plane but repairs and annuals are difficult and expensive. 

And no short field capabilities.

    My next plane will be Experimental.



Dan Walter

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:21 am Post subject: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

Alien , I have to question the cost of operating a 150 for 'about $42/hour'. Really don't see how it can  be that low, esp. if he carefully includes everything. Like adding  a buck or two towards the eventual overhaul. And does he include the cost of his own physicals? I had a 170 for 20 years and kept careful records. Just can't see that 42/hour unless he flies 300-400 hrs a year.      

But congrats to him if he can fly that cheaply.

Russ K



On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:52 PM, alienwes wrote:

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hi everyone,

 

 Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate benefits of both.

 

 Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.

 Kolb can take regular gas

 Kolb has better performance/climb

 Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33

 Kolb has less annual costs

 

 Cessna is cheaper to start with

 AV gas is higher

 Annuals are higher

 Needs hangar

 Flies faster/farther

 

 Anything I am missing here?

 What are others operating cost per hour?

 

 Thanks,

 

 Wes

 

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 Sport Pilot-PPC

 

 

 

 

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alienwes

Joined: 11 Dec 2012
Posts: 64
Location: Roswell, NM

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs

Thanks everyone for your insight. To answer the question on my pilots license, I already have my Sport Pilot, but need a fixed wing endorsement as its only for PPC right now. That reduces the cost for the Kolb. 



I am assuming this Dr. just threw out a number for operating costs for the Cessna that he was told. Do not think he really considered all the facts. 



I do like being part of a community, which the Kolb seems to have much more than the Cessna. Just like the community of PPC pilots I enjoy knowing. 



Thanks again for everyones input.

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