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john(at)fureychrysler.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: FF Kit

I'm building an  RV7. Anyone have experience with the Firewall Forward kit from Van's, or is  it better to piece meal?

  

 Thanks

 John

dan(at)rvproject.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: FF Kit

If you're a first-time builder and you're going  mostly "stock" in terms of your engine/carb/FI/induction/baffles/oil & fuel  systems, the FWF kit will be of high value (convenience in terms of $time$  saved).  What type of engine are you hanging?

  

 The more you stray from Van's stock setups, the  less useful the FWF kit will be imho.  For example, if you were going with  a Sam James cowl & plenum, the FWF kit wouldn't be a 100% perfect match for  you.

  

 Next time around, I will still probably order the  FWF kit but I will most likely omit several items that I would  customize.

  

 I know this is kinda vague, but it really  depends on your setup.

  

 )_( Dan

 RV-7 N714D (933 hours)

 http://www.rvproject.com

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lhelming(at)sigecom.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: FF Kit

I am pretty much standard engine, cowling, and the  FWF kit saved lots of time.  There were some parts supplied I did not use  but the convenience of having almost everything was nice.  I am not an  A&P with lots of spare parts laying around.  I wanted parts that  was the right part and the right size.  The FWF kit worked very well with  my TMX-O-360 engine installation.  I am sure it would work well with a  lycoming as well.  Larry in Indiana

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rv8striker(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: FF Kit

I did the FWF kit and I'd do it again. If you  already have some of the parts that are included in the kit, Van's will custom  tailor the kit to your needs. Just let them know what you do not need. They will  send the rest and bill you accordingly.

  

 Just my two cents worth.

  

 Steve Struyk

 RV-8, 50 hours.

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john(at)fureychrysler.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: FF Kit

Thanks  Dan, I am going with the Sam James cowl and probably a TMX IO-360 (still looking  for advice here) I have built 2 RV6A in the past. I am learning a lot from your  web site.

  

 Thanks

 John

john(at)fureychrysler.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: FF Kit

Larry,  I am leaning towards the TMX O or IO-360 and would appreciate any  input.

  

 Thanks

 John

lhelming(at)sigecom.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: FF Kit

I have been happy at every step taken with  Mattituck.  I would buy another engine from them again but would consider  others also.  Things to change and at the time I bought mine, I felt it was  the best value available.  Mattituck has exceeded my expectations at every  opportunity.  Larry in Indiana

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highflight1(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: FF Kit

John,

 I bought the Mattituck TMX IO-360 w/AFP fuel injection plus two P-mags. My engine was built with the hollow crank in case I might later want to change to a CS prop, but I am going to install and fly with a Catto 3-blade FP.  

  

 Like you, I also had to do some head scratching about the FWF kit and what I came up with was that the best match for my engine was to get the FWF item #FF-7A O-360 FP.

  

 However, I still made some changes of either straight deletions or exchanges as follows:

 I deleted the gascolator (don't need it with the AFP-FI).

 I deleted ALL the electrical harnesses and master relay and starter solenoid. (I'll get what I need elsewhere).

 I deleted the throttle and mixture cables and bracket (I'm using a throttle quadrant from DJM).

 I changed out the standard FWF 60a alternator for the new 60a alternator w/internal OV protection.

 I deleted the standard oil cooler and instead bought the Stewart Warner replacement from Pacific.

 I deleted the standard Vetterman exhaust and instead bought the same exhaust directly from Vetterman except with the mufflers.

  

 You can obviously see that most of those changes were as per my personal preference as opposed to changes mandated by my engine installation. For the most part, I think if you just delete the gascolator, you might be able to use all the rest. 

 I am also using the Sam James Cowl and Plenum, so be aware that you need to ask Mattituck to get the special bracket from AFP that's made to fit with the Sam James Plenum.

  

 I hope that gets you in the right direction.

  

 Vern Wanzong

 RV7-A

 Houston, TX

  

 



 

 On 6/9/06, John Furey <john(at)fureychrysler.com (john(at)fureychrysler.com)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		     Larry, I am leaning towards the TMX O or IO-360 and would appreciate any input.

  

 Thanks

 John

michele.delsol(at)microsi
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: FF Kit

Thanks for the info as I myself also ordered a TMX-IO360 – AL sump, PMags and Vans standard cow. As you did, I am going personal on all the electrical stuff; Mufflers – also via Vetterman direct. As for gascolators, I am putting a couple of Andairs at the wing roots.  

   

Not sure about the cables and brackets – what would you recommend?  

   

Oil cooler – same here – going SW from Pacific – great people to work with – good advice.  

   

It seems that after removing the above, all that is left is all of the little items which a first time builder is sure not to have on hand, each of which will take tons of time to get.  

   

Thanks,  

Michele – RV8 Fuselage (France)  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W.

 Sent: dimanche 11 juin 2006 02:25

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: FF Kit

 Importance: High  

  

     

John,  

    

I bought the Mattituck TMX IO-360 w/AFP fuel injection plus two P-mags. My engine was built with the hollow crank in case I might later want to change to a CS prop, but I am going to install and fly with a Catto 3-blade FP.   

    

   

    

Like you, I also had to do some head scratching about the FWF kit and what I came up with was that the best match for my engine was to get the FWF item #FF-7A O-360 FP.  

    

   

    

However, I still made some changes of either straight deletions or exchanges as follows:  

    

I deleted the gascolator (don't need it with the AFP-FI).  

    

I deleted ALL the electrical harnesses and master relay and starter solenoid. (I'll get what I need elsewhere).  

    

I deleted the throttle and mixture cables and bracket (I'm using a throttle quadrant from DJM).  

    

I changed out the standard FWF 60a alternator for the new 60a alternator w/internal OV protection.  

    

I deleted the standard oil cooler and instead bought the Stewart Warner replacement from Pacific.  

    

I deleted the standard Vetterman exhaust and instead bought the same exhaust directly from Vetterman except with the mufflers.  

    

   

    

You can obviously see that most of those changes were as per my personal preference as opposed to changes mandated by my engine installation. For the most part, I think if you just delete the gascolator, you might be able to use all the rest.   

    

I am also using the Sam James Cowl and Plenum, so be aware that you need to ask Mattituck to get the special bracket from AFP that's made to fit with the Sam James Plenum.  

    

   

    

I hope that gets you in the right direction.  

    

   

    

Vern Wanzong  

    

RV7-A  

    

Houston, TX  

    

   

    



 

    

    

On 6/9/06, John Furey <john(at)fureychrysler.com (john(at)fureychrysler.com)> wrote:         

Larry, I am leaning towards the TMX O or IO-360 and would appreciate any input.  

    

   

    

Thanks  

    

John

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: FF Kit

Aerosport Power installed the Airflow Performance fuel injection on a Superior IO-360-B1B (180 hp) engine for my RV-8A. I ordered the firewall forward kit from Vans. There were some duplications. I remember that the plate that attaches the filtered air box (F.A.B.) to the fuel meter box came from both AFP and Van’s, but I had to make a custom one anyway to move the F.A.B. about 3/8” to one side to center it in the bottom cowl scoop. This is the part that several have experienced cracks with, so I built it out of heavier aluminum than the original. It’s a simple flat oval, so it wasn’t difficult to make.  

   

I have a couple of hoses left over that I didn’t need, and had to order two more that I didn’t get from either source. One is the 42” long ¼” firesleeved line that runs from the purge valve on the top of the engine back to the firewall. The other is the 3/8” firesleeved line with a 90 degree pipe bend on one end that runs from the firewall to the mechanical fuel pump. Mine will be 15” long. I ordered both from Airflow Performance last week and expect to get them today or tomorrow. I think the two hoses will cost just a little under $200.  

   

I did install an Andair gascolator in the left wing root, although I now don’t think that was any improvement over the AFP fuel filter that I did not install. But all that bent tubing looks impressive.  

   

Terry  

RV-8A firewall forward almost done  

Seattle        

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michèle Delsol

 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:42 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: FF Kit  

  

   

Thanks for the info as I myself also ordered a TMX-IO360 – AL sump, PMags and Vans standard cow. As you did, I am going personal on all the electrical stuff; Mufflers – also via Vetterman direct. As for gascolators, I am putting a couple of Andairs at the wing roots.  

   

Not sure about the cables and brackets – what would you recommend?  

   

Oil cooler – same here – going SW from Pacific – great people to work with – good advice.  

   

It seems that after removing the above, all that is left is all of the little items which a first time builder is sure not to have on hand, each of which will take tons of time to get.  

   

Thanks,  

Michele – RV8 Fuselage (France)

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