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brubakermal(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:50 am Post subject: who can fly what |
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I am in florida now early for sun fun so i wont return email consistently. for a while. my first year volintering sun fun I told this guy i wanted to fly in that chalanger and he told me he owned that plane and we tried to stop his friend as he taxied buy the pilot just looked at us and gave us a in a minut juster. the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that reason. this is another reason why they did away with UL trainers with NO medical required, alot of ga pilots took up ul trainor flying, a common UL phrase was your only one medical away from being a UL pilot
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
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Great Sails - Sailmaker
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From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: who can fly what
What does one do when the legislators are stupid??  Herb
At 08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote:
[quote]had a dissy spell and went to the doctor >>
Hi Malcolm,
very sensible and in that case the system worked as it is supposed to.
What happens if someone self certifies themselves as being fitand then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him?
Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved that it was a known preexisting condition.
I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it.
The problem is with the nutcases. We had one guy who, with a license but with only a little experience in 3 axis a/c bought himself a gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a crowded municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed himself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t legislate against stupidity.
Long may self certification flourish.
Pat
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:40 am Post subject: who can fly what |
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the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that reason.
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Malcolm B/Kolbers:
I believe this is the accident you refer to above:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001206X01159&ntsbno=MIA94LA121&akey=1
I was flying the Kolb factory MKIII. Took off behind the accident aircraft. Watched helplessly as the aircraft started its left descending turn until it crashed.
The accident aircraft was a newly designed and built Tundra from Canada. The gentleman killed in the crash was a PVT pilot. Don't believe he was flying it because he lost his medical, but was demonstrating a newly developed kit plane.
john h
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Titus, Alabama
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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject: who can fly what |
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Even if the description of pilot & accident mentioned below is accurate, it doesn't represent the statistical reality in health/accident records for those flying without a medical. If it did, you wouldn't see the FAA actively considering self certification for many pilots with a 3rd class medical. The reason that the FAA is actively considering this is because they now have a good statistical sample from the sport pilot community showing a very 'clean' record.
Charlie
On 04/04/2013 07:49 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
[quote] I am in florida now early for sun fun so i wont return email consistently. for a while. my first year volintering sun fun I told this guy i wanted to fly in that chalanger and he told me he owned that plane and we tried to stop his friend as he taxied buy the pilot just looked at us and gave us a in a minut juster. the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that reason. this is another reason why they did away with UL trainers with NO medical required, alot of ga pilots took up ul trainor flying, a common UL phrase was your only one medical away from being a UL pilot
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> (herbgh(at)nctc.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: who can fly what
What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? Herb
At 08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote:
| Quote: | had a dissy spell and went to the doctor >>
Hi Malcolm,
very sensible and in that case the system worked as it is supposed to.
What happens if someone self certifies themselves as being fitand then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him?
Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved that it was a known preexisting condition.
I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it.
The problem is with the nutcases. We had one guy who, with a license but with only a little experience in 3 axis a/c bought himself a gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a crowded municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed himself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t legislate against stupidity.
Long may self certification flourish.
Pat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: who can fly what |
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That would make me legal to fly at night,>>
John,
can you fly an ultralight at night?
microlights here are strictly VFR.
A Sports Pilot cat, is OK I presume. My licence is strictly microlight.
Incidentally. The guy who bought my Mark3 Xtra has deregistered it. From that I can only assume that he is going to break it for parts.
I wouldn`t have sold the old girl to him if I had known.
Trying to help out a fellow flyer I threw in the radio (the one from you John) and a GPS and a pile of bits as well.
I sold it at a giveaway price but since the sale I have had 5 enquiries. Dammit!
Pat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:28 am Post subject: who can fly what |
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<<can't be failed if you want to keep your flying privileges>>
Charlie,
the light dawns. The intricacies of language.If you substitute `must not` for `can`t` the whole sense of the sentence alters and becomes clear.
At least to me
Pat
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: who can fly what |
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Pat L/Kolbers:
My MKIII is registered Experimental/Homebuilt and certified for night flight. Since I let my flight physical expire, and became a Sport Pilot, I am no longer authorized to fly at night. If I renew my Class III Flight Physical, I will again be authorized to fly at night. I might add, I haven't logged night time in a very long time. No productive to fly a single engine, homebuilt, without redundant systems at night.
Ultralights come under Part 103, and are not authorized to fly at night.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:12 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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That would make me legal to fly at night,>>
John,
can you fly an ultralight at night?
microlights here are strictly VFR.
A Sports Pilot cat, is OK I presume. My licence is strictly microlight.
Incidentally. The guy who bought my Mark3 Xtra has deregistered it. From that I can only assume that he is going to break it for parts.
I wouldn`t have sold the old girl to him if I had known.
Trying to help out a fellow flyer I threw in the radio (the one from you John) and a GPS and a pile of bits as well.
I sold it at a giveaway price but since the sale I have had 5 enquiries. Dammit!
Pat
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Tom O'Hara
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| Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: who can fly what |
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No medical is required to fly- lighter than air, Gas or hot air. That applies to student, private, commercial and instructor (included in commercial). and, what a wonderful way to get your feet of the ground!
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