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Guys
It’s time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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I think there is too much customization and personal preference, that there really isn’t a defacto popular choice.
For example, for those of us that have Vertical Power units, all the switches are just logic switches and carry no real current. This means we can be a little more creative on which switches we use. For most of my switches I took the easy way out. It also means that the VP device controls the master and alternator functions.
Since I have an Aerosport Products’ instrument panel and I have a relationship with Aerosport Products (I manage the website for them), I went with Geoff’s rocker switches. They work just fine.
I did use the ACS keyed switch, since I only wanted to carry a single key for the ignition, doors, and baggage door.
Almost all my switches are rockers. I have only one color coded switch, the rest are all black. I started to color coded them, but quickly realized all the same colors were grouped together. i.e. a bank of four all red. Since the banks of switches all have different functions, I used the physical placement to differentiate rather than color.
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Subject: Choosing the switches
Guys
It’s time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: Choosing the switches |
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I have usually installed simple toggle switches for most things, with the normal key switch for mags and starter. I also like separate toggle switches for mags.
For master and alt, I like to use a toggle switch for master and to put alt field on my avionics bus so it comes on with the avionics master. I use the Klixon pull able breakers so I can reset it if necessary.
I prefer toggle switches because it is easier to add one after the panel is finished by simply drilling a round hole.
The classy rocker switches are very nice to look at, and I like the way they can be labeled right on the switch, but they are more expensive and harder to add or remove. I recently worked on a plane that had all rocker switches (the big black ones that were engraved with labels. There are 4-5 switches that aren't used any more and if I remove them, there will be big holes in the panel.
Just MHO.
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Guys
It’s time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: Choosing the switches |
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Toggle switches for me also. I really like the look of the rock rack switches but went with the toggles in the end for reasons others have already stated.
David Clifford
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Howell, MI
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Guys
It’s time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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arplnplt(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:38 am Post subject: Choosing the switches |
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Classic toggles on my panel other than a standard keyed mag/start switch for a bit of security and large two position toggle for BATT and ALT. You can purchase a toggle almost anywhere in a pinch and silly simple to install, wire and operate.
Dave Leikam
On Jul 7, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
| Quote: | Guys
Its time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: Choosing the switches |
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I prefer the mags on toggles so if I want to clear the engine I can turn it with the ignition off.
I used to have a separate position for the alternator field but now it comes on with the battery.
Dave Saylor
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Especially for those with light 3 bladed props, having seperate switches for either mags or elec ignition, you can leave the ignition off until the blades get turning, then flip them on..... no kickpack or backfiring. Works everytime.Don McDonald520 hours and loving every minute.
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I prefer the mags on toggles so if I want to clear the engine I can turn it with the ignition off.
I used to have a separate position for the alternator field but now it comes on with the battery.
Dave Saylor
831-750-0284 CL
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 2:32 AM
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Subject: Choosing the switches
Guys
It’s time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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I used the Aveo switches and had a few custom laser engraved.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC.
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Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 2:32 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Choosing the switches
Guys
It’s time to choose the switches for the RV-10 panel, and I wonder which ones are more popular between the RV-10 builders:
For the Master and ALT field, have you used the Cessna split rocker or just 2 separate toggle switches?
For the magnetos and starter, did everybody use the ACS combined keyed switch, or is it better to use 2 toggles and one push-button momentary starter switch?
And for the lights and other electrical equipment, which has been the choice: the classic rocker switches or the color coded toggle switches?
Thanks for your opinions
Carlos
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These work well.... (g)
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On 7/7/2013 8:11 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
| Quote: | The classy rocker switches are very nice to look at, and I like the way they can be labeled right on the switch, but they are more expensive and harder to add or remove. I recently worked on a plane that had all rocker switches (the big black ones that were engraved with labels. There are 4-5 switches that aren't used any more and if I remove them, there will be big holes in the panel.
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I used white Honeywell rockers (AML34,24) with labels and backlighting. All the above certainly applies though I haven't had to face any of that yet beyond initial expense. My selection was based purely on personal desire with the knowledge that toggles would be easier, cheaper, and more flexible. But since I did my own panel, I enjoyed the challenge and the finished appearance.
I didn't include a split rocker, nothing missed there.
I did use the ACS key switch and find it a good selection for my '10. It's easy to leave the baggage key dangling outside unless you have to have it to start the plane (there are other approaches to this problem but this one works). Since you need a key for the baggage door, using the same for ignition and just plain requiring a key ring is a handy thing (my fuel key is on the ring too which is a great reminder).
Re the Honeywells - finding the right switches for a couple of functions required some searching, e.g. AP source switching, flaps. Newark Electronics turned out to be a great (stocked) source for switch items. Cutting rectangular holes in an aluminum panel turned out to be surprisingly easy with a hand file. The lights for the switches turn out to be troublesome... it takes some fooling around to get the little lights to consistently stay lit in a vibrating environment. There are LED lights available as well as the standard incandescent. I use the LEDs but went to incandescent for my LRC3 low voltage lights in order for them to function properly. B&C can tell you how to make the LEDs work there as well.
I used AML41 indicators for the idiot lights. Very handsome when combined with the rockers.
I used dimmers on all switches and 2 of the idiot lights.
No VPN, did use Faststack, fuses along with 4 breakers, Z-14
a few pics here
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5253
(I should include a pic of the whole panel)
Bill "300+ hours and still haven't replaced stick-on panel labels" Watson
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To pile on what Bill said I used the backlit Honeywell switches (with dimmer) for the -10 and like it a lot but when it was time to build the 8A I used the same switches but unlighted. It saved 30-40% on some of the switches. I used a metal Red/White LED cockpit light that can light up the switches (and/or charts) when needed.
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I also placed some LED strip lights under the longerons that give a beautiful “down glow” and allows me to read just about anything I want while night flying including the switches. Works great and provides a lot of light but still easy to fly/land when dark. Sorry, no photos. L
Robin
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The classy rocker switches are very nice to look at, and I like the way they can be labeled right on the switch, but they are more expensive and harder to add or remove. I recently worked on a plane that had all rocker switches (the big black ones that were engraved with labels. There are 4-5 switches that aren't used any more and if I remove them, there will be big holes in the panel.
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I used white Honeywell rockers (AML34,24) with labels and backlighting. All the above certainly applies though I haven't had to face any of that yet beyond initial expense. My selection was based purely on personal desire with the knowledge that toggles would be easier, cheaper, and more flexible. But since I did my own panel, I enjoyed the challenge and the finished appearance.
I didn't include a split rocker, nothing missed there.
I did use the ACS key switch and find it a good selection for my '10. It's easy to leave the baggage key dangling outside unless you have to have it to start the plane (there are other approaches to this problem but this one works). Since you need a key for the baggage door, using the same for ignition and just plain requiring a key ring is a handy thing (my fuel key is on the ring too which is a great reminder).
Re the Honeywells - finding the right switches for a couple of functions required some searching, e.g. AP source switching, flaps. Newark Electronics turned out to be a great (stocked) source for switch items. Cutting rectangular holes in an aluminum panel turned out to be surprisingly easy with a hand file. The lights for the switches turn out to be troublesome... it takes some fooling around to get the little lights to consistently stay lit in a vibrating environment. There are LED lights available as well as the standard incandescent. I use the LEDs but went to incandescent for my LRC3 low voltage lights in order for them to function properly. B&C can tell you how to make the LEDs work there as well.
I used AML41 indicators for the idiot lights. Very handsome when combined with the rockers.
I used dimmers on all switches and 2 of the idiot lights.
No VPN, did use Faststack, fuses along with 4 breakers, Z-14
a few pics here
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5253
(I should include a pic of the whole panel)
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Thank you all for your opinions, I’m still undecided but I think I’ll go for the toggles.
Best
Carlos
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