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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: Cockit ventilation

Hi,

   I have recently become the owner of a Tri Gear Europa and have already found the need for better flight deck ventilation.  I have been looking at various devices to solve this requirement and wondered what simple solutions others had found. 

   The side Europa NACA vents are effective at cooling my knees but not much good for anything else, and they have fallen apart with winter approaching. Psssst

   I have been looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce.   Any thoughts???

    

   Pete

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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: Cockit ventilation

On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:15 PM, pjeffers(at)talktalk.net (pjeffers(at)talktalk.net) wrote:

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		  I have been looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce.   Any thoughts???

 

	




Pete...users swear by them not at them...Fred

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rlborger(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: Cockit ventilation

Hi Pete,



I have them in my Europa.  They provide an impressive quantity of air.



 Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)



 

 

On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:15 PM, pjeffers(at)talktalk.net (pjeffers(at)talktalk.net) wrote:

 Hi,

   I have recently become the owner of a Tri Gear Europa and have already found the need for better flight deck ventilation.  I have been looking at various devices to solve this requirement and wondered what simple solutions others had found. 

   The side Europa NACA vents are effective at cooling my knees but not much good for anything else, and they have fallen apart with winter approaching. Psssst

   I have been looking at the 'ULTIMATE VENTILATOR' from Spruce.   Any thoughts???

    

   Pete

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clivesutton

Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 187
Location: KENILWORTH

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Peter, I have one mounted in each side 'quarter panel' of my windshield, very effective and I only have good things to say about them . . . except the $94 each price perhaps.  Let me know if a pic would be useful.  Clive.

steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:59 pm Post subject: Cockit ventilation

Pete - it may not be what you are looking for but  Ian Rickard's add on vent to the inside gets rid of the cold knee syndrome and  stops water weeping through the NACA vents. Using the eyeball vent inside it  also gives you a modicum or directionality.

 See my aircraft when you get home.

 Steve 

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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: Cockit ventilation

Hi Clive,

   You say you mounted them in each side quarter panel.  Do you mean in the perspex or the fibreglass. Ouch to the price.

   Pete

   PS I guess a pic would tell all if you have one handy.

   

 

 

  

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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:00 pm Post subject: Cockit ventilation

Thanks Steve,

   Yes I had the 'add on vent inside' on previous aircraft but that was quite a bit of work and the large eyeball vents are also expensive.

   Pete

 

 

 

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clivesutton

Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 187
Location: KENILWORTH

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Pete, Tony,

Pics attached.  Fully adjustable ventilation from trickle to full hurricane and I've seen this arrangement clear windscreen 'fogging' in no time.  But the price . . .  Fortunately for me these were already fitted when I bought the a/c.  Haven't flown much in rain but I've never had any water leakage btw.  Clive

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mau11(at)free.fr
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: Cockit ventilation

I used a 2 PC old mainboard fan 4 inches, they work perfectly coast >  

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 Peter, I have one mounted in each side 'quarter panel' of my windshield, very effective and I only have good things to say about them . . . except the $94 each price perhaps.  Let me know if a pic would be useful.  Clive.





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spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

I like the idea of these http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/snapvents2.php but does anyone know if you can get them in the same colour as the europa tinted glass? I think it's bronze?

gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:49 am Post subject: Cockit ventilation

I don't know anything about the color, but The instructions say: 'not

intended for speeds above 120 knots'.



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Richard Lamprey

Joined: 15 Jul 2011
Posts: 95
Location: Kenya

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

I have these Aircraft Spruce snapvents in my Europa classic in Kenya.  One in each side window (door).  Roughly level with my head, slightly down.  They work a treat, by adjusting you can get air flowing through the cabin leftways or right.  Also, being removable, you can take them out for oblique aerial photography (but only before flight, so don't want to fly in rain).  The only problem is that a determined person can remove them from outside, and access your door handle from inside, or fish around if he a long gibbon-like arm.  Can get pictures of them, but nowhere near the plane till December.  Best, Richard   Kenya Classic 168, reg 5Y-LRY

spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Hi Richard, yes photos are always welcome please. One other thing does your europa have the tinted glass? Thanks

Richard Lamprey

Joined: 15 Jul 2011
Posts: 95
Location: Kenya

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Daniel,



Yes, the brown tinted glass.  The snapvents are clear, but you wouldn't notice the difference when they are in.



By rotating them relative to the airflow, you can get one side to suck, the other to blow, hence movement of air through the cabin.

Best

Richard, Kenya

Richard Wheelwright

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 111
Location: Halifax, West Yorkshire, UK

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Richard,



    Do you Have any Photos of the Snapvents please.

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G-IRPW
First Flight 24th July 2013

Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:25 am Post subject: Cockit ventilation

On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Richard Lamprey wrote:

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		  By rotating them relative to the airflow, you can get one side to suck, the other to blow, hence movement of air through the cabin.

	




Richard...can you recall which model of the snapvent it is that you're using? 

I find it somewhat difficult to discern the differences between some of the models, though it does appear that only MODEL CC3251 allows for the vents to be closed and flush w/ the outside.

Wow...cutting those holes in installed door windows must have been a real come-to-jesus moment,

Fred



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Richard Wheelwright

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 111
Location: Halifax, West Yorkshire, UK

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

I have  2 of these vent I bought about 3 years ago but never fitted them, as the fear of breaking the plexi glass.



Are there any tips on cutting the 2" holes?

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G-IRPW
First Flight 24th July 2013

kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:00 am Post subject: Cockit ventilation

Richard wrote :

Richard wrote : 



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Yes, I simply used a 2" hole cutter, at slow speed. It may be a good idea to warm up the window first. I also installed these transparent ventilators from ACS in the corners of the windscreen (about $20 each). I don't see any need for anything else except air conditioning maybe.
	


Karl



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Richard Lamprey

Joined: 15 Jul 2011
Posts: 95
Location: Kenya

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:05 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Richard and Daniel,



Sorry, I don't have any good pictures, and the next time I am close to the Europa will be early December... sorry.  I am in Uganda on work right now, the plane is in the neighboring country of Kenya (my country of abode).  The only thing I can dig out on this computer is attached, pretty useless but you can see the position of the vents in both the near and opposite window.   have no idea what type they are, they were ordered by a friend for his Cessna 206, and were surplus.  I just bought them from him and stuck them in.  They are essential in these temperatures.



Best

Richard, Kenya

Richard Lamprey

Joined: 15 Jul 2011
Posts: 95
Location: Kenya

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Cockit ventilation

Sorry it doesnt want to attach.



I have had this problem before on this forum.  Attach, click submit, and then a page comes up saying "this page cant be displayed'.



Any ideas how to attach?

Richard

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