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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:28 am Post subject: OSH

It was great to see all my friends at OSH!



I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.  



I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.



For those still at OSH,   Have great rest of the show and a safe journey home!



Bob



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:13 am Post subject: OSH

Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of activity.

 

I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.



The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.

 

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

 It was great to see all my friends at OSH!

 

 I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.

 

 I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.

 

 For those still at OSH,   Have great rest of the show and a safe journey home!

 

 Bob

 

 

 

 

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2878

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:40 am Post subject: OSH

This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements.  I don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway.  It is just a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.

Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B products are plentiful and "old news".  They've been available for many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000 hours.  You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system today.  So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any panel...that would still be newsworthy.

Tim



On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of activity.

 

I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.



The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.

 

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

 It was great to see all my friends at OSH!

 

 I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.

 

 I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.

 

 For those still at OSH,   Have great rest of the show and a safe journey home!

 

 Bob

 

 

 

 

 

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:53 am Post subject: OSH

Tim,

That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the 

2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you 

need both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate 

with the Mode C if a UAT unit is selected.

Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still 

seeking certification. Even the Trig products under various labels are 

still having problems getting approval of communications with various 

certified GPS units. Not to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for 

each combination along with airframe STCs. At the rate things are going 

there isn't a prayer of getting a large percentage of the fleet that 

uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually get them installed. 

I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing 

the STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer 

still has to show compliance with all the TSO requirements.

Kelly

On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements.  I 

 don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway.  It is just 

 a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.

 Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B 

 products are plentiful and "old news".  They've been available for 

 many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000 

 hours.  You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system 

 today.  So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big 

 news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system 

 with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any 

 panel...that would still be newsworthy.

 Tim



 On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com 

 <mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>> wrote:



> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and 

> other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of 

> reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some 

> features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of 

> activity.

> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.

> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision 

> to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude 

> amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on 

> airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.

> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com 

> <mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com>> wrote:

>

>     

>     <mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com>>

>

>     It was great to see all my friends at OSH!

>

>     I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.

>

>     I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good

>     intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I

>     didn't get to them.

>

>     For those still at OSH,   Have great rest of the show and a safe

>     journey home!

>

>     Bob

>

>     Sent from my iPad

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philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: OSH

I really wish we could have been there this year, but it just wasn't in the cards (for the 2nd year in a row now). 

I think we will be flying the RV-10 into there next year though.  I think I see a shimmering light at the end of the tunnel.  Assuming it's really the end of the tunnel and not another freight train, we should be there with room to spare.  It's about time. 

Phil





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On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of activity.

 

I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.



The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.

 

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)>

 

 It was great to see all my friends at OSH!

 

 I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.

 

 I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I didn't get to them.

 

 For those still at OSH,   Have great rest of the show and a safe journey home!

 

 Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

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rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: OSH

I think Navworx's got their certification.



I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love.  Traffic and weather are great and works great with my WingX. 



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:18 am Post subject: OSH

The only new ADS-B Out device I saw was the Appareo Transponder. It is not finished or certified yet, but they are building a transponder that will be ADS-B Out compliant with its internal WAAS GPS. As was already mentioned, it is not yet certified, so there is no telling when it will be ready or how much it will cost. We still have 5+ years before the mandate takes effect, and a lot can happen in that time, both with changing the requirement (similar to the 406MHz ELT's) and with cheaper options for compliance. More products in the marketplace means more competition, which should bring the price down.

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694

On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Tim,

 That was my point about ADS-B out. There isn't a product that meets the 2020 requirements in the under $3000 range that I am aware of, since you need both the transponder and certified GPS with means to coordinate with the Mode C if a UAT unit is selected.

 Last I heard Navworx and other attempts at under $3000 were still seeking certification. Even the Trig products under various labels are still having problems getting approval of communications with various certified GPS units. Not to mention the FAA so far is requiring STCs for each combination along with airframe STCs. At the rate things are going there isn't a prayer of getting a large percentage of the fleet that uses the airspace required to have ADS-B to actually get them installed. I appreciate that the OBAM community has a much easier road, not needing the STCs, but the equipment still is very pricey and the manufacturer still has to show compliance with all the TSO requirements.

 Kelly

 On 8/1/2014 7:39 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

> This year wasn't a big year for significant product announcements.  I don't think that's the best thing about OSH though anyway.  It is just a great place to be, to go, and to fly into.

> Regarding ADS-B, I think that it's already to the point where ADS-B products are plentiful and "old news".  They've been available for many years....I've been flying mine for over half of my over 1000 hours.  You can get a unit that will integrate with most any system today.  So any new product announcement for ADS-B really isn't big news anymore....unless perhaps there is a dual channel in+out system with integral gps that can be bought for $1000 and integrate with any panel...that would still be newsworthy.

> Tim

> 

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com <mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>> wrote:

> 

>> Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of activity.

>> I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.

>> The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport hangars, and claims that is not a change.

>> 

>> 

>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com <mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com>> wrote:

>> 

>>    

>>    <mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com>>

>> 

>>    It was great to see all my friends at OSH!

>> 

>>    I wish I had more time to spend more time with everyone.

>> 

>>    I'm home now and am now remembering all those things I had good

>>    intentions of doing before the show and for whatever reason, I

>>    didn't get to them.

>> 

>>    For those still at OSH,   Have great rest of the show and a safe

>>    journey home!

>> 

>>    Bob

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>    Sent from my iPad

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wgreenley

Joined: 09 Jan 2010
Posts: 100
Location: Dowagiac, MI

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: OSH

Someone mentioned that L3 said they were finishing a dual in and out ADSB

that would be at the 3K price point.

Bill Greenley



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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: Re: OSH

Evie and I had a great time on the first long trip of the airplane. 



Saw a lot of -10's that I would have loved to peek inside of but most had their doors closed and covers on. I opened mine up for an afternoon and had a ton of looky-loos who appreciated a chance to look and ask questions.

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jjessen01

Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Posts: 50

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:57 am Post subject: OSH

Wish it worked with Foreflight. Or maybe it does?



[quote] On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I think Navworx's got their certification.

 

 I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love.  Traffic and weather are great and works great with my WingX. 

 

 Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 801-721-6080

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2878

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:35 am Post subject: OSH

Foreflight is too closed to offer anybody else's receiver to work. Other products work with most every other receiver there is.

That's another reason I prefer wingX other than as a preflight planner.

Tim

[quote] On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:56 PM, John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 Wish it worked with Foreflight. Or maybe it does?

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I think Navworx's got their certification.

> 

> I just installed the unit in my -10 (GRT EFIS) and I am in love.  Traffic and weather are great and works great with my WingX. 

> 

> Rene' Felker

> N423CF

> 801-721-6080

> 

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rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: OSH

I don't have any experience with Foreflight, but all my experience with

WingX has been great.



I use voyager for flight planning.....do I dare say......when I do flight

planning.



On my last trip....Ogden UT to Coos Bay Oregon....I found a couple refueling

options (my wife suffers from TB (tiny bladder)) via AirNav.com and did the

flight plan on the fly.  Updated TFR's in WingX before I left and got the

weather via ASD-B in the air.  I had looked at the weather the night before

so knew what to expect.



What an age we live in.....  



Rene' Felker

N423CF

801-721-6080

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jjessen01

Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Posts: 50

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: OSH

Might have to give WingX a try. 



[quote] On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:47 PM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I don't have any experience with Foreflight, but all my experience with

 WingX has been great.

 

 I use voyager for flight planning.....do I dare say......when I do flight

 planning.

 

 On my last trip....Ogden UT to Coos Bay Oregon....I found a couple refueling

 options (my wife suffers from TB (tiny bladder)) via AirNav.com and did the

 flight plan on the fly.  Updated TFR's in WingX before I left and got the

 weather via ASD-B in the air.  I had looked at the weather the night before

 so knew what to expect.

 

 What an age we live in.....  

 

 Rene' Felker

 N423CF

 801-721-6080

 

 

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:44 pm Post subject: OSH

Same here.  I tried to open it up whenever I was nearby and got plenty 

of looky-loos - which isn't to say they weren't serious lookers.



Met a chap from Western AUS who was a bit confounded by Vans' apparent 

lack of interest in his interest.  I was glad to give him as much of a 

tour as he wanted while explaining that while sales, marketing and 

support may not by Vans strong point, engineering, design and 

performance is - and I guess that could pass for a form of  marketing.  

The product does seem to sell itself which is what we all dream of.



I've seen a lot of complaints from show attendees about the lack of 

knowledge of vendor reps at the show.  My experience from the vendor 

side of biz shows is that 1) they are generally a bit of a pain in the 

buttocks, 2) vendor people are sent as a kind of perk, developmental 

opportunity or punishment and 3) they aren't very productive.  It's a 

shame because the bad taste generated in the marketplace can linger.  

But let's face it, most informational exchanges can be done better 

electronically and when some F2F is required, somewhere other than a 

show is going to be more productive and effective.



Bill "I attended for the booze" Watson



On 8/1/2014 1:36 PM, woxofswa wrote:

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 Evie and I had a great time on the first long trip of the airplane.



 Saw a lot of -10's that I would have loved to peek inside of but most had their doors closed and covers on. I opened mine up for an afternoon and had a ton of looky-loos who appreciated a chance to look and ask questions.



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 Flew May 10 2014





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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:17 am Post subject: OSH

Agreed. Go for the show but the real information comes from current owners and the people you meet.



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		   Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 00:43:12 -0400

 From: Mauledriver@nc.rr.com

 To: rv10-list@matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH

 

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 Same here.  I tried to open it up whenever I was nearby and got plenty 

 of looky-loos - which isn't to say they weren't serious lookers.

 

 Met a chap from Western AUS who was a bit confounded by Vans' apparent 

 lack of interest in his interest.  I was glad to give him as much of a 

 tour as he wanted while explaining that while sales, marketing and 

 support may not by Vans strong point, engineering, design and 

 performance is - and I guess that could pass for a form of  marketing.  

 The product does seem to sell itself which is what we all dream of.

 

 I've seen a lot of complaints from show attendees about the lack of 

 knowledge of vendor reps at the show.  My experience from the vendor 

 side of biz shows is that 1) they are generally a bit of a pain in the 

 buttocks, 2) vendor people are sent as a kind of perk, developmental 

 opportunity or punishment and 3) they aren't very productive.  It's a 

 shame because the bad taste generated in the marketplace can linger.  

 But let's face it, most informational exchanges can be done better 

 electronically and when some F2F is required, somewhere other than a 

 show is going to be more productive and effective.

 

 Bill "I attended for the booze" Watson

 

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 > Mesa, AZ

 > Flew May 10 2014

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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject: OSH

Argh. I sent this last night from the wrong address, without CCing 

myself, and the list rejected it but doesn't send back a copy. So I'm 

retyping it all.



Missed ya.



While not announced at OSH, the Garmin G3X touch is a pretty sweet 

looking box at a nice price point. As is the Dynon Skyview touch. Both 

were plentiful in ready-to-fly LSAs.



I did spend some time looking for ADS-B out units.



Aspen announced their ATX200 and ATX100 transceivers. The ATX200G and 

ATX100G have WAAS GPS built in. $1600-$4000.



L-3 announced 4 new units with WAAS GPS starting at $2000 but they're 

not available yet. Should be by the end of the year.



Bendix-King has a new line of KGX transceivers. $1400-$4000. They also 

showed their KNS770 MFD/Nav system. Very nice looking but at $14000 

maybe too little too late.



FreeFlight's system is $4000 but includes wireless capability to display 

weather and traffic on an iPad



The iFlyGPS folks have a portable system they claim does ADS-B out, 

SkyGuardTWX, although I'm not really sure how that can be legal. They're 

still seeking certification. Starts at $1400.



If you have a Trig transponder, they've released a companion ADS-B out 

module with GPS but it's $3500.



In other news, diesels made an appearance in several engine booths as 

well as on a Glastar Sportsman and a new Cessna 172. Love the fuel burn 

but they still have an excessive price delta.



Turbine Solution Group was showing off their RV-10 with a small 

turboprop installed.It was prety neat. 240 hp in 156 pounds but at 

18-36gph I'm not sure it's really all that practical.



I spent some time in the Redbird booth looking at not only their 

expanding simulator line but also talking about their foray into 

complete flight instruction including refurbishing 172s.



The FAA hanger ruling is actually a good thing. Or at least a better 

thing. Prior to this ruling they had a no-exception rule. It was not 

legal to build an airplane in a hanger (at a federally funded airport) 

at all. Now it's still not legal to build the subcomponents of an 

airplane in the hanger but you can do assembly of the plane there. Also 

you're now allowed "incidental storage" and placement of reasonable 

amounts of non-aeronautical things as long as they don't get in the way 

of the aviation that's supposed to go on there. Technically that couch 

and microwave were illegal before.



--Rick



On 8/1/2014 10:12 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

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		   Sure would have liked to be there to see many friends from this and

 other lists........However, I have to wonder about the lack of reports

 of new or upgraded products. Other than Dynon adding some features to

 its Skyview, there seems to have been a real lack of activity.

 I would have hoped for more activity in the ADS-B Out arena.

 The FAA seems to have scooped the event with their proposed revision to

 airport hangar usage rules, which among many items, exclude amateur

 building of aircraft earlier than "final assembly" in on airport

 hangars, and claims that is not a change.

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