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rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
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 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:43 am Post subject: door strut mods |
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I’m thinking way ahead of what I’m doing just now, but want to get prepared well in time.
The standard door strut arrangement causes the doors to bulge away from the door recess, as I observed while walking around the Europas parked at the LAA Rally this year. I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven’t managed to find a relevant posting.
Am I dreaming? Would the originator(s) of any such improvements care to stand up & identify themselves? If the changes were successful, is there an LAA mod number (or even just the LAA project number) that I can quote if I seek to emulate their work?
I don’t suppose anyone has comparative experience of all the possible solutions, but I’m happy to hear opinions on what works best to stop the doors bulging up.
in friendship
Rowland
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Fred Klein
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: door strut mods |
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On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | | I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven’t managed to find a relevant posting. |
Rowland,
I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
Fred
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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:21 am Post subject: door strut mods |
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Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to do it.
Kingsley has details I think
Graham
From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59
Subject: Re: door strut mods
On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | | I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven’t managed to find a relevant posting. |
Rowland,
I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
Fred
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fireflier
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:46 am Post subject: door strut mods |
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Hi
I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones your looking for are on the europa club website.
I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the mod that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf
Hope this is what your looking for?
Kind regards
Donald
G-PUPY
Sent from my iPhone
On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
[quote]Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to do it.
Kingsley has details I think
Graham
From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59
Subject: Re: door strut mods
On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | | I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven’t managed to find a relevant posting. |
Rowland,
I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
Fred
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JonathanMilbank
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: Re: door strut mods |
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I just added layers of glass below the bulging top rear edge of each door and then filing /sanding away the top edges until I got the desired effect. 17 years of flying later and still going strong without any bulge.
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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: door strut mods |
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Hi all,
It is a funny thing because I have never had a problem with the original design. No door deformations have occurred, opens as designed, and occasionally in windy situations comes down which one is aware of and can happen to any design.
The secret I believe is the bonding of the perplex into the window frame being done correctly.
Leaving a gap between the perplex and the frame is essential for it to be able to expand even with redux filler. Both windows and doors fitted in situ with door handle locks in place and with bands wrapped around the entire fuselage to hold it in place. Worked for me.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 29/09/2014, at 2:45 am, Donald Cameron <fireflier(at)btinternet.com (fireflier(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
[quote]Hi
I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones your looking for are on the europa club website.
I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the mod that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf
Hope this is what your looking for?
Kind regards
Donald
G-PUPY
Sent from my iPhone
On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to do it.
Kingsley has details I think
Graham
From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59
Subject: Re: door strut mods
On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | | I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven’t managed to find a relevant posting. |
Rowland,
I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
Fred
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:16 pm Post subject: door strut mods |
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Hi! Tim,
If the gas struts are at full pressure on the original mount point the top rear corner of each doors begins to deform upwards and so doesn’t remain flush with the top of the fuselage surface by about 1/8” Originally it was acceptable to flush the fuselage out with a thicker layer of filler on it . I wonder if your gas struts have lost some of their pressure since you were supplied and also do you leave the doors closed for long periods in the sun and summer temperatures?
Ted Gladstone’s mod removes any mechanical stress from that corner also Andy Drapers mod to reposition the ball fixing and strengthen the aft member of the doors is much more kind to the doors.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timward
Sent: 29 September 2014 00:55
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: door strut mods
Hi all,
It is a funny thing because I have never had a problem with the original design. No door deformations have occurred, opens as designed, and occasionally in windy situations comes down which one is aware of and can happen to any design.
The secret I believe is the bonding of the perplex into the window frame being done correctly.
Leaving a gap between the perplex and the frame is essential for it to be able to expand even with redux filler. Both windows and doors fitted in situ with door handle locks in place and with bands wrapped around the entire fuselage to hold it in place. Worked for me.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 29/09/2014, at 2:45 am, Donald Cameron <fireflier(at)btinternet.com (fireflier(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
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Hi
I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones your looking for are on the europa club website.
I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the mod that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf
Hope this is what your looking for?
Kind regards
Donald
G-PUPY
Sent from my iPhone
On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
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Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to do it.
Kingsley has details I think
Graham
From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59
Subject: Re: door strut mods
On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven’t managed to find a relevant posting.
Rowland,
I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
Fred
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:56 am Post subject: door strut mods |
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On 28 Sep 2014, at 19:45, Donald Cameron <fireflier(at)btinternet.com> wrote:
Donald - thanks for your message. I feel somewhat stupid having not thought to check the resources available from The Europa Club first! Yes, the link describes just what I was looking for. I’ve asked LAA Engineering if they can let me have the official documentation (it’s not - yet - shown in any of the lists of mods on the LAA website).
And thanks to all the others who have responded to my posting, I appreciate your help.
in friendship
Rowland
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budyerly(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:03 am Post subject: door strut mods |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Tim,
You are the first I have heard without a modest complaint.
Mod 66 is a good, but heavy bulky mod. Years ago Bob Berube made a hand done modification. Later when I found some better (I thought) door seals I found this method allowed for my thicker door seals. Later I put into instructions here at Custom Flight for my clients.
Attached is how we do it at the shop yet today. Wordy of course.
The original is on my website, but is not our new one, which is attached here.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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