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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:56 am Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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I tried a nozzle like that on my Cheetah. I liked it.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:30 pm Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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Thanks for posting. I sure noticed the difference in my Cheetah.
Gary
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:02 am Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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Gary,
Do you think this nozzle could be used in the Tiger's carb? Do you think it might help in a Tiger?
Ned
On Sep 25, 2014, at 2:29 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
Thanks for posting. I sure noticed the difference in my Cheetah.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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YEA,!! Ned, thanks for posting that.
A little bit of research is now needed....
What carbs are allowed for the AA5, AA5A and AA5B?
If there is an overlap and it fits the AA5... Yea, that may just solve the problem I'm seeing.
Thanks for the post Ned.
Barry
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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Barry,
Don mentioned that he would let us know what he finds out with ECI. I'm hoping its good news.
Ned
On Sep 25, 2014, at 6:10 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
YEA,!! Ned, thanks for posting that.
A little bit of research is now needed....
What carbs are allowed for the AA5, AA5A and AA5B?
If there is an overlap and it fits the AA5... Yea, that may just solve the problem I'm seeing.
Thanks for the post Ned.
Barry
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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I don't think it will physically fit into a Tiger's HA-6. Call Ken at LyCon and ask him. I'd like to know as well.
Gary
On Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:02 PM, 923te <923te(at)cox.net> wrote:
Barry,
Don mentioned that he would let us know what he finds out with ECI. I'm hoping its good news.
Ned
On Sep 25, 2014, at 6:10 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
YEA,!! Ned, thanks for posting that.
A little bit of research is now needed....
What carbs are allowed for the AA5, AA5A and AA5B?
If there is an overlap and it fits the AA5... Yea, that may just solve the problem I'm seeing.
Thanks for the post Ned.
Barry
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:43 am Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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Ken is really hard for me to contact. I don't seem to get to talk with him or have my calls returned so I gave up. Since you have a relationship with him would you want to call and talk with him about it. Also, you know the carb details much better than I do.
On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
I don't think it will physically fit into a Tiger's HA-6. Call Ken at LyCon and ask him. I'd like to know as well.
Gary
On Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:02 PM, 923te <923te(at)cox.net (923te(at)cox.net)> wrote:
Barry,
Don mentioned that he would let us know what he finds out with ECI. I'm hoping its good news.
Ned
On Sep 25, 2014, at 6:10 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
YEA,!! Ned, thanks for posting that.
A little bit of research is now needed....
What carbs are allowed for the AA5, AA5A and AA5B?
If there is an overlap and it fits the AA5... Yea, that may just solve the problem I'm seeing.
Thanks for the post Ned.
Barry
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:24 am Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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Good Ned,
If something as simple as a different spray nozzle would correct some of these problems... That would be GREAT!
And, from my point of view, STC or not, if it helps I'm all for it.
Barry
On Thursday, September 25, 2014, 923te <923te(at)cox.net (923te(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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Don mentioned that he would let us know what he finds out with ECI. I'm hoping its good news.
Ned
On Sep 25, 2014, at 6:10 PM, FLYaDIVE <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','flyadive(at)gmail.com');]flyadive(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:
YEA,!! Ned, thanks for posting that.
A little bit of research is now needed....
What carbs are allowed for the AA5, AA5A and AA5B?
If there is an overlap and it fits the AA5... Yea, that may just solve the problem I'm seeing.
Thanks for the post Ned.
Barry
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: Titan 340CC Carb nozzle - I'd like to try in a Tiger |
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John,
It is the definition of "worked well". You are just happy with the way yours is working. The issue over 60 years has always been Fuel Distribution. If we could get better or correct fuel distribution we will have more HP, better fuel efficiency and cooler temps.
Barry
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What are the “problems” that we are seeing with Tiger carbs? Mine has worked well since 1981.
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Good Ned,
If something as simple as a different spray nozzle would correct some of these problems... That would be GREAT!
And, from my point of view, STC or not, if it helps I'm all for it.
Barry
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Barry,
Don mentioned that he would let us know what he finds out with ECI. I'm hoping its good news.
Ned
On Sep 25, 2014, at 6:10 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com> wrote:
YEA,!! Ned, thanks for posting that.
A little bit of research is now needed....
What carbs are allowed for the AA5, AA5A and AA5B?
If there is an overlap and it fits the AA5... Yea, that may just solve the problem I'm seeing.
Thanks for the post Ned.
Barry
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The question about "problems" with the O360 in our Tigers is a good one. The engine in my Tiger has been in the plane now for 25 years and a little over 3000 hours and . Early Top OH for valve wobble in late '80s, Major OH with Millennium Cylinders in 2005, & 1000 hrs since that OH. The # 2 cylinder runs lean and hot at full throttle. I am positive it did that before the JPI was installed in 1997 and it continues to do that to this day. This is absolutely a function of fuel distribution. And this trend extends over 2 different carbs, polished intake ducting, air box overhaul and both Lycoming AND Millennium cylinders. And don' even get into baffling - mine is excellent and has never been a problem. The "problem" is the fuel distribution and the result has been 5 replaced exhaust valves in the #2 cylinder due to wobble and burning since 1981 (3500hrs ±).
Since I live at an altitude of 6500msl I can control egts simply with the mixture and can leave the throttle at the firewall for the entire climb to cruise but at sea level I've tried pushing the mixture through the panel and it doesn't work. It only gets so rich, and for #2 that isn't rich enough. Flying home from annual at Fletchair's in central Texas, field elevation was a low 2100msl, OAT 68F the #2 egt at full throttle was 1375 on take-off roll while the others were variously between 1340 and 1300. From home base I normally climb out at full throttle/2500rpm but the only way to get the egt down and prevent the CHT's from exceeding 425 below 5000msl is to pull the MP back to 24inches and give up some climb performance (It still is way better than my Sensenich which would climb less than 2500rpm at 90k). Now had my plane not been equipped with an engine analyzer I would not have "had" a problem. But I would have flown the engine with #2 cylinder CHT around 450 until level off at 10,000msl. This results in shorter exhaust valve life and that trend is reflected in this engines extended history. Pulling the power back during climb prevents this, and most C/S prop planes I have flown call for an rpm and mp reduction after initial Take-Off anyway so this isn't really unusual. BUT: If the fuel distribution to all the cylinders was better I could have continued my full power climb and saved a couple minutes getting to 10,000.
I am certain there is nothing "wrong" with my engine, other than having a carb. In cruise at 75% or less power the egt's generally are within 50 degrees of each other and the CHT's run below 390 on the JPI. At long range cruise I can run LOP with cht's all below 350 and egts within 20 degrees of each other. But when you push the throttle to the stop the spread will top 175 because of the poor fuel distribution inherent in a carburetor equipped engine. And with the C/S prop I can fly entire flights from TO to pulling the power to extend the flaps for landing with the throttle at MAX (including descent). So this last bit of throttle travel resulting in such large EGT and CHT spreads IS an operational factor. PROBLEM? Not really, but an undesirable characteristic, for sure.
The way I see it - maybe a different carb nozzle could make fuel distribution BETTER but the only real "FIX" is a parallel valve, injected O360 engine with balanced GAMI injectors. The CARB is the problem and the FIX will be to eliminate it from the plane.
Brent Smith
N28386/1N1
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Anybody find out anything about this nozzles applicability for a Tiger?
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