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flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
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Location: oklahoma

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:14 am Post subject: runway advice

I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the center.

lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:05 am Post subject: runway advice

Flywith me wrote-

I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts?



I am wondering why you want to put it on the charts? or be identified by the FAA? Is there a benefit to doing so? Sounds like an insurance nightmare to me. Then again "paranoia is merely a heightened sense of reality".

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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:15 am Post subject: runway advice

Whether it should be put on the charts is a question for an attorney unfortunately. There are risks and rewards like everything else. But if you do put it on the charts it might be a lifesaver for someone who is running out of fuel , or is being boxed in by weather, and needs a safe plane to land.



My GUESS (not an attorney) is that whatever you do make sure it is marked as private (PVT on the chart). That way you probably make some reduction in liability, and will have a reduction in your insurance cost because it is not open to the public. If you choose a published chart name for the strip like "Fly With Me Ultralight", then you reduce your liabilities even more, because when some Bonanza or Learjet pilot lands and damages the airplane you have a defensible position that it was easily identifiable as an ultralight strip, and obviously not maintained for larger or heavier airplanes.



Again, a real attorney has to guide you through this, not me.



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 I am in the process of identifying my private airport with

 the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also

 it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on

 and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to

 have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000

 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:05 pm Post subject: runway advice

The only thing that identifies my grass strip as an airfield is the 8 foot orange and white wind sock, and a 750' mowed strip in a cow pasture.

 

I don't want FAA involved in my airfield.Â  Next thing the Feds will be looking for taxes.

 

The county tax man already charges me $50.00 annually for owning an airplane I built in my basement.

 

Sorry SOB!

 

john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

 

 

 

 



I am wondering why you want to put it on the charts? or be identified by the FAA? Is there a benefit to doing so? Sounds like an insurance nightmare to me. Then again "paranoia is merely a heightened sense of reality".



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flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Posts: 19
Location: oklahoma

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: runway advice

the runway is already on file with the FAA as a private VFR only runway. and also listed a private use daytime VFR use with owners permission only. the FAA also has the dimensions and described as a grass surface. there is no requirement for it to be charted and i haven't considered an insurance policy other than farm ranch. the runway did save a fellow once many years ago from carbon monoxide piosening,boy was he sick. he just barely made it down.

Jim Baker

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 181
Location: Sayre, PA

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 1:46 pm Post subject: runway advice

GPS your own Lat/Lon .....they aren't very accurate in determining the actuals for your strip from descriptions. They put mine on the other side of town, 8 miles from real location.



Costs nothing to put it on.....at least to you. If you have any IR or VR routes passing close by, beneficial to those in the route to know you're there.



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Kirkds

Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Posts: 52
Location: Michigan

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: runway advice

50 bucks!  WTF? How in hell do they get away with that. Do they also  charge for owning a car, boat, tractor, motorcycle?  I just mowed the field  outback and F the FAA. Although a local ultralight group posted my location in  their flyers without my permission. A holes.

  From: John Hauck (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com) 

 Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 4:05 PM

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 Subject: RE: runway advice

The  only thing that identifies my grass strip as an airfield is the 8 foot orange  and white wind sock, and a 750' mowed strip in a cow  pasture. 

I  don't want FAA involved in my airfield.  Next thing the Feds will be  looking for taxes. 

The  county tax man already charges me $50.00 annually for owning an airplane I built  in my basement. 

Sorry  SOB! 

john  h 

mkIII 

Titus,  Alabama 

I am wondering why you want to put it on the charts? or be  identified by the FAA? Is there a benefit to doing so? Sounds like an insurance  nightmare to me. Then again "paranoia is merely a heightened sense of  reality".

Larry   

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject: runway advice

SEE:

http://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2013/may/14/oklahoma-governor-signs-recreational-aviation-bill



Rick Girard



On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, flywithme <constrjh(at)pldi.net> wrote:



[quote] 



 the runway is already on file with the FAA as a private VFR only runway.

 and also listed a private use daytime VFR use with owners permission only

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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:43 pm Post subject: runway advice

On 5/9/2016 12:14 PM, flywithme wrote:

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 I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the center.

Don't know if actually charting it would make a difference, but having 
	


it registered with the FAA can sometimes buy you some protection. For 

instance, it might keep a tower from being built 50 feet off the 

approach end of your runway. You're much more likely to be notified in 

time to stop that kind of project if it's actually charted, because the 

potential builders would likely notify you to head off controversy early.



John getting charged $50 a year sounds more like an annual license fee 

for the aircraft than anything else. I'd consider that pretty 

reasonable. I my state of MS, a homebuilt is only $25/yr, but many 

states charge based on appraised value. In many states, he would be 

paying hundreds per year. And it wouldn't matter whether the plane is 

based on a private, unregistered strip or a public airport.



Taxes on the runway would depend on your state/county/city. The airpark 

where I live has the runway taxed as agricultural land; no doubt some 

states are far more aggressive on their real estate taxes, just like 

they are on vehicle (including a/c) taxes. Liability would depend on 

state law, as others pointed out, but if there's an R on the chart, it's 

up to you whether you allow legal access to anyone else. If someone 

trespasses & stubs their toe, you could be held liable regardless of how 

you're using the land.



Insurance is a variable, like taxes, and would depend on the insurer.



If I were flying near you & had an engine-out, I'd certainly appreciate 

it showing up in my GPS. It's saved one or two people who were near my 

home strip.



Worth what you paid; yadayadayada,



Charlie

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: runway advice

The Feds seem to take a dim view of people who build airstrips and don't tell them, I told them about mine, what you do with yours is none of my business.

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Form/faa-form-7480-1-notice-for-construction-2014.pdf



The current form is different from the one I had to fill out, so I put a big notice on it "Owner desires the airport not be charted."



In spite of that, years ago I was working E radar at TRI, and got an IFR inbound that filed destination as 3TN0 - you guessed it; my 750' grass strip. Could not resist: asked the pilot to verify landing at 3TN0 - Indian Springs. He said yes, why? I told him that was the 750' grass strip behind my house, and I needed to call the wife and tell her to get the video camera, because if someone was going to land a Cessna Citation there, we needed to get it on film.

He was not amused. Probably because he was trying to land at the airport closest to Kingsport, and got caught doing some really crappy flight planning.



PS: Neither the feds nor the state of Tennessee have ever said squat to me about anything, I do get snail mail notices of proposed construction of cell towers within 5 miles, and every 5 years or so they ask me if I need to update my records that are on file.

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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:13 am Post subject: runway advice

Flywith,

  

 <<  identifying my private airport with the FAA   >>

  

 There is one advantage which has happened around  here.  If your strip is registered then the airspace along your approaches  tends to be "protected".  In other words, if a cellphone company wants to  put a tower across the street, it will be denied because you were "there  first".

  

 You might want to check with your local Feds to see  what is the current policy.

  

 Tom Kuffel

 Whitefish, MT

Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:02 am Post subject: Re: runway advice

Hi John,



My Xtra costs 63 bucks a year in Missouri.  We have personal property tax so I'm taxed on my car, truck, motorcycle, boat, boat motor, boat slip, and airplane!



There are about 10 private strips near me and 7 are on the charts.  Sounds like there are pros and cons each way.  Tough decision.

flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Posts: 19
Location: oklahoma

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:12 am Post subject: Re: runway advice

Wow Rick!  Thank You for posting this





[quote="rickofudall"]SEE:

http://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2013/may/14/oklahoma-governor-signs-recreational-aviation-bill



Rick Girard



On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, flywithme <constrjh> wrote:



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 the runway is already on file with the FAA as a private VFR only runway.

 and also listed a private use daytime VFR use with owners permission only

flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Posts: 19
Location: oklahoma

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:16 am Post subject: Re: runway advice

I am considering putting one runway on the chart,especially since Oklahoma changed their tort. i think it would be fun to have private strips around the land so us small aviators could fly around and visit each other or even get from point a to b to attend a fly inn somewhere. I have some really nice places someone could camp or even get to town to the hotel.

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:04 am Post subject: runway advice

You're welcome. See also:http://recreationalaviationfoundation.org/



These guys are doing all the heavy lifting to get states to add recreational flight to their RLUA's. They should be able to answer any questions about the advisability of having your runway added to charts, what info to give, etc.

Rick

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Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:46 am Post subject: runway advice

My Xtra costs 63 bucks a year in Missouri.  We have personal property tax so 

I'm taxed on my car, truck, motorcycle, boat, boat motor, boat slip, and 

airplane!>>



Bloody hell. Move to the UK. We don`t have anything like that. How do you 

pay. Once? Annually? Jeeeeez!  Pat

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Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:03 am Post subject: Re: runway advice

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[quote="rickofudall"]You're welcome. See also:http://recreationalaviationfoundation.org/



These guys are doing all the heavy lifting to get states to add recreational flight to their RLUA's. They should be able to answer any questions about the advisability of having your runway added to charts, what info to give, etc.

Rick

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:50 am Post subject: runway advice

Pat, its probably covered in  your VAT just like our GST { grab snatch take } or goat shit tax. Same world wide just different ways of exctracting coin .Given a different name so we do not cotton on to the game .

Downunder  

 

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[quote="rickofudall"]You're welcome. See also:http://recreationalaviationfoundation.org/ (http://recreationalaviationfoundation.org/)



These guys are doing all the heavy lifting to get states to add recreational flight to their RLUA's. They should be able to answer any questions about the advisability of having your runway added to charts, what info to give, etc.

Rick

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