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skidmk
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Hi all,
I purchased a bird in Houston this spring, it has tanks under the wing. I"m about to take them off, but I will need the covers that cover the internals. They "didn't" have them.
ideas? sources?
thanks
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The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons. On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> L29-List message posted by: "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)>
Hi all,
I purchased a bird in Houston this spring, it has tanks under the wing. I"m about to take them off, but I will need the covers that cover the internals. They "didn't" have them.
ideas? sources?
thanks
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: Pylon covers? |
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Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon
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The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.
On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I'm confused about what is being asked about. When you remove the drop tanks there is a small clip that goes on over the access. As mentioned here. However if you remove the drop tanks and the hard points there are covers that can be put in where the hard points go to make a smooth bottom wing.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
| Quote: | On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:33, Bill Culberson
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Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.
On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <[url=javascript:return]skidmk(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:
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all true. | Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:49, Robert Schwartz <schwartzcompany(at)att.net (schwartzcompany(at)att.net)> wrote:
I'm confused about what is being asked about. When you remove the drop tanks there is a small clip that goes on over the access. As mentioned here. However if you remove the drop tanks and the hard points there are covers that can be put in where the hard points go to make a smooth bottom wing. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
| Quote: | On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:33, Bill Culberson
<bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.
On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <[url=javascript:return]skidmk(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:
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Why are you taking them off? The penalty for leaving them on is between 10% & 15%.Since most of us can’t afford to go very far any way, it shouldn’t matter.
Just curious.
The other Bill
| Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:33, Bill Culberson <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: Pylon covers? |
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Well (the Bill) said!
Check out the $1:20 gallon jet a north east US and Canada.
Gary
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On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:07 PM, William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Why are you taking them off? The penalty for leaving them on is between 10% & 15%.Since most of us can’t afford to go very far any way, it shouldn’t matter.
Just curious.
The other Bill
| Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:33, Bill Culberson <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Where is the cheap gas??
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:48, Gary Cole <ca6209(at)flash.net (ca6209(at)flash.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Well (the Bill) said!
Check out the $1:20 gallon jet a north east US and Canada.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:07 PM, William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Why are you taking them off? The penalty for leaving them on is between 10% & 15%.Since most of us can’t afford to go very far any way, it shouldn’t matter.
Just curious.
The other Bill
| Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:33, Bill Culberson <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:57 pm Post subject: Pylon covers? |
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40 miles from my house/hanger Texas KARM $2.50 gallon jet a
Ontario,Canada CNF4 $1.00 gallon jet a
Check it out on Foreflight all of Canada is less than 1.50 and 100LL $1.55
Sounds like a good place to base these fuel hogs.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Where is the cheap gas??
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:48, Gary Cole <ca6209(at)flash.net (ca6209(at)flash.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Well (the Bill) said!
Check out the $1:20 gallon jet a north east US and Canada.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:07 PM, William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Why are you taking them off? The penalty for leaving them on is between 10% & 15%.Since most of us can’t afford to go very far any way, it shouldn’t matter.
Just curious.
The other Bill
| Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:33, Bill Culberson <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Pylon covers? |
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Ontario,Canada CNF4 $1.00 gallon jet a
Check it out on Foreflight all of Canada is less than 1.50 and 100LL $1.55
Sounds like a good place to base these fuel hogs.
Gary |
Outside the USA, we use the Metric system... so Foreflight prices are listed in the unit used in that specific airport... so for Canada the price are most probably $1.00 Canadian per Litre... or $3.78 Canadian per Gallon which at today's exchange rate is $2.90 USD per gallon.
I paid $2.70 USD per gallon at my airport when you factor all these ($0.93 per litre)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:54 am Post subject: Pylon covers? |
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Keep in mind that fuel is priced by the litre in Canada. There are 3.785 litres per US Gallon, so that fuel costs $3.785/gallon. Convert to US$ and it is $2.93/gallon. Still want to come up here?
Kevin
| Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 20:56 , Gary Cole <ca6209(at)flash.net (ca6209(at)flash.net)> wrote:
40 miles from my house/hanger Texas KARM $2.50 gallon jet a
Ontario,Canada CNF4 $1.00 gallon jet a
Check it out on Foreflight all of Canada is less than 1.50 and 100LL $1.55
Sounds like a good place to base these fuel hogs.
Gary
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Where is the cheap gas??Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:48, Gary Cole <ca6209(at)flash.net (ca6209(at)flash.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Well (the Bill) said!
Check out the $1:20 gallon jet a north east US and Canada.
GarySent from my iPad
On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:07 PM, William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com (l129bs(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Why are you taking them off? The penalty for leaving them on is between 10% & 15%.Since most of us can’t afford to go very far any way, it shouldn’t matter.
Just curious.
The other Bill
| Quote: | On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:33, Bill Culberson <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com (skidmk(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Not a good idea to fly without the covers.Jean de Roubin | Quote: | Le 7 juil. 2016 à 20:10, migfighter42(at)gmail.com (migfighter42(at)gmail.com) a écrit :
If you are leaving the pylons on but flying with out the fuel tanks, the two ports that are open for pressurization of the tank and the larger line for fuel to the main tank would be left open. The covers for these ports are built into structural provisions in the pylon that hold (via clips) these covers while the tank is in use. not using the covers means you have a bleed air leak (no big deal) but the fuel in from the tank becomes a vent and could pull in debris from ground operations (troubling but unlikely).
I many be able to post a picture later today...
Bill (not THE Bill)
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From: Robert SchwartzSent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎July‎ ‎7‎, ‎2016 ‎10‎:‎49‎ ‎AMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)
I'm confused about what is being asked about. When you remove the drop tanks there is a small clip that goes on over the access. As mentioned here. However if you remove the drop tanks and the hard points there are covers that can be put in where the hard points go to make a smooth bottom wing. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
| Quote: | On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:33, Bill Culberson
<bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.
On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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When we first imported the L29’s, some had the little plugs some didn’t. We flew anyway. If you think about it, the 7 psi air that the bleed line puts out if nothing. (1/2 atmosphere)while you are flying the airflow will create a venturi effect and help to suck out the bleed air. fuel cannot flow (one way) from the mains to the external tanks, so no problem. Sounds funny but use DUCT TAPE to cover the holes.
Sadly the L29 is not fast enough to peel the tape!
With the pylons off you get lots of drag. Drag which is greater than that created by leaving the pylons on. Build some aluminum plates. The factory actually made covers. I happen to have a pair. However they
are buried deep somewhere or I would be happy to send pix. Just tape a piece of paper over the area, trace it, make two.
Not much difference the flying with the doors off a Cessna.
I have flown with the front canopy off, (not by choice but that of a student) it took full power to get around the traffic pattern. Fun, lets not do that again! what a drag. (Pun intended)
Blue Sky's!
| Quote: | On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:19, delfin29(at)me.com (delfin29(at)me.com) wrote:
Not a good idea to fly without the covers.Jean de Roubin | Quote: | Le 7 juil. 2016 à 20:10, migfighter42(at)gmail.com (migfighter42(at)gmail.com) a écrit :
If you are leaving the pylons on but flying with out the fuel tanks, the two ports that are open for pressurization of the tank and the larger line for fuel to the main tank would be left open. The covers for these ports are built into structural provisions in the pylon that hold (via clips) these covers while the tank is in use. not using the covers means you have a bleed air leak (no big deal) but the fuel in from the tank becomes a vent and could pull in debris from ground operations (troubling but unlikely).
I many be able to post a picture later today...
Bill (not THE Bill)
N39DE
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From: Robert SchwartzSent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎July‎ ‎7‎, ‎2016 ‎10‎:‎49‎ ‎AMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)
I'm confused about what is being asked about. When you remove the drop tanks there is a small clip that goes on over the access. As mentioned here. However if you remove the drop tanks and the hard points there are covers that can be put in where the hard points go to make a smooth bottom wing. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
| Quote: | On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:33, Bill Culberson
<bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:
Specifically,
Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration.
Bill
From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of JonSent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Pylon covers?
The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons.
On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" <skidmk(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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thanks guys,,, I haven't removed them yet. they look kinda cool...I may just leave them on.
If anyone has the covers for sale, reply to me off list, I may purchase them.
Skidmk
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