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smarshall(at)enid.org
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway.� We are moving to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =)� (Does anyone know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
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Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild blue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr. Pepper today if I am breaking into song.
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I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it. www.rv-8a.4t.com has changed to www.rv-8.org�nothing has really changed lately except for the major fact that we are going with an RV-8 instead of an RV-8a.
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Cheers,

Stephanie Marshall
Software Support Tech.
City of Enid
smarshall(at)enid.org ([email]smarshall2enid.org[/email])
580-234-0400 X-3030
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
Without getting into the "what is better" argument, what were your reasons for swapping to the -8, and did you consider or check out such things as crosswind limits, pilot experience, insurance permiums, etc? What did you find out? I ask because I will have that same decision in six months or so...

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Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are moving to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does anyone know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)

Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild blue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr. Pepper today if I am breaking into song.

I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it. www.rv-8a.4t.com <http://www.rv-8a.4t.com/> has changed to www.rv-8.org <http://www.rv-8.org/> nothing has really changed lately except for the major fact that we are going with an RV-8 instead of an RV-8a.

Cheers,

Stephanie Marshall
Software Support Tech.
City of Enid
smarshall(at)enid.org <mailto:smarshall2enid.org>
580-234-0400 X-3030
www.enid.org <http://www.enid.org/>

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mannanj(at)alltel.net
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
DO NOT ARCHIVE

Jeff:

I built the RV-8. At about your point in building, I struggled with the
8-8A decision. Even though I had over 1200hrs in taildraggers, including
50-60 hrs in a Pitts Special I was hesitant because of insurance and resale
value.

One day while picking the brain of one of Van's gurus about something else,
I posed the same question. His answer; "what do you want to see when you
open the hangar door?"-----------Problem solved.

Tail draggers can be a bit more to handle on take off and landing, but it is
nothing that can't be learned in a reasonable amount of time with a good
instructor. In the long run, if you learn to do it properly, stay in
control and not become a passenger, YOU WILL be a better pilot.

Your insurance will be a bit higher, but that pales in comparison to the
satisfaction you will have after landing in a crosswind and taxiing in to
the silent envy of the nosewheel drivers. (Pilots?)

Mannan Thomason
RV-8 N161RL
Nomex-Asbestos Suit on!!!!!!!!!!!
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jeff(at)preou.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
I think I need to check out the insurance situation as operating costs will factor more highly than building costs. At least for me. Of course, I don't yet have a license yet, but the 25 or so hours I cobbled together spread over the last 15 years or so were all Cessna 152/172. Actually, the guy that runs the skydive centre where I instruct also runs a flying club. And they have a taildragger that I could learn in. Could be useful to learn from scratch (almost). I should ask him about that...

I like the "what do you want to see" comment...

Thanks,
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Hamilton, New Zealand
www.preou.com


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DO NOT ARCHIVE

Jeff:

I built the RV-8. At about your point in building, I struggled with the
8-8A decision. Even though I had over 1200hrs in taildraggers, including
50-60 hrs in a Pitts Special I was hesitant because of insurance and resale
value.

One day while picking the brain of one of Van's gurus about something else,
I posed the same question. His answer; "what do you want to see when you
open the hangar door?"-----------Problem solved.

Tail draggers can be a bit more to handle on take off and landing, but it is
nothing that can't be learned in a reasonable amount of time with a good
instructor. In the long run, if you learn to do it properly, stay in
control and not become a passenger, YOU WILL be a better pilot.

Your insurance will be a bit higher, but that pales in comparison to the
satisfaction you will have after landing in a crosswind and taxiing in to
the silent envy of the nosewheel drivers. (Pilots?)

Mannan Thomason
RV-8 N161RL
Nomex-Asbestos Suit on!!!!!!!!!!!
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smarshall(at)enid.org
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
Hi Jeff,
We decided to go with an 8 for the soft-field landing capabilities. We believe (I know some might not) that the front landing gear on the 8A might not be able to take the repeated stress of landing on soft-fields. The other thing that we took into account was the damage that could result from a collapse of the front gear vs. the damage from a ground loop. We have seen the damage that comes from a plane flipping when it's front gear fails, and we don't even want to THINK about going there =)

We plan on taking our plane into MANY soft fields over its lifetime, so our reasoning probably isn't valid for everyone. =)

Stephanie
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jeff(at)preou.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
Hi Stephanie,

Thanks for that. I still haven't made up my mind. We'd like to go RV-8
but there are so many factors to consider. I need to do some more
research to find out the best fit.

Cheers,
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Hamilton, New Zealand


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dan.beadle(at)inclinesoft
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Wichita KS Reply with quote
Jeff,

I decided to go RV8 vs. 8A after starting aerobatics work. That got me back
to the joy of flying. (I fly a Cessna414. It is challenging, but not fun in
a stick and rudder sense.) I wanted to be able to go into shorter fields
(the twin needs 4000' and I like 6000'). That got me to the idea of
building an airplane. Selecting Vans was a no-brainer: lots of plane
flying safely minimizes the risk.

I looked over the models and came to like the 8 based on speed and mission.
Fast is always good and the 8 is the fastest. And tandem has the cool
factor.

I suspect that you went through a similar process to get where you are.

The remaining decision was 8 or 8A? I had next to zero time in tail wheel,
but over 10,000 total time. I figured tail wheel would not be difficult -
and it wasn't. As I recall, you are still working on your rating. Learning
a tail wheel is not that big a deal. In some ways, it makes you a better
pilot by focusing you on attitude flying. There are certainly some
drawbacks technically - like ground control, but once in the air, they fly
the same (or maybe a little faster than a tri-gear). You do have to be
careful taxing in winds and you do have to land a little more smoothly, but
these are manageable.

There are two other drawbacks: insurance and resale.

With all my time, the insurance company prefers to have a lot of tail wheel
time to insure the airplane. But this is negotiable. I decided to build
some time by towing gliders in a Pawnee. The insurance company wanted 150
hours of tail wheel time, but I got them to accept me at 10 hours total tail
wheel time. And that was in a single place plane where I had to check myself
out. They did this with no extra premium.

The other drawback is resale. Experimentals are already different to sell.
You have to find a buyer in love with your implementation - you don't have
just another C172 for sale. But you also have to find a tail wheel pilot.
An instructor buddy who specializes in such tells me that only about 10% of
the pilots have the FAA Conventional Gear Endorsement.

Still, even with these limitations, I figure and RV8 was just meant to park
pointed to the sky.

Dan

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