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Sean Blair
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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Hello all,
I am one of those rare people you might consider crazy that is building a plane and learning to fly at the same time. Don't worry...I'll get my time and transition training in well before I jump into the 10.
Because of my inexperience, I run into things in the build with systems that I do not have alot of knowledge about yet. One of these are all the antennaes and their placement in the airframe.
Is there a list of the antennaes I will need and their possible locations/functions? I am well into the fuselage construction and need to start thinking of where to mount things and possible wire/coax runs. I intend to go pretty heavily on the capabilities of this plane. IFR and lots of glass in the panel.
Thanks for any help.
Sean Blair
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jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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Sean,
The antennas you will need are dictated by the equipment you choose.
There are com and nav antennae available for both wingtip mount and
fuselage. Some have mounted their GPS antennas under the cowl, others on
top of the fuselage or the instrument panel. X-ponder antennas generally
are mounted under the fuse, while the ELT antenna seems to work well near
the vertical tail on top of the fuse. I'm using the wingtips for nav and
marker beacon antennas with com antennas top and bottom of fuselage. Unsure
yet where I want my GPS antenna but my X-ponder will be close to the midline
near the front of the fuse.. Wire runs as necessary, plenty of space for
them in this airframe. Consult the manufacturer of the avionics you choose
for further suggestions on antenna placement....john
John Hasbrouck
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bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Rookie questions |
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Sean
I'm sure your not alone as a builder / student pilot. I am enjoying the same
program. I have been told that antennas should have a doubler plate to help
disburse the vibration and avoid stress cracking of the skin. I will also
look forward to the stream on this subject.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450 Tailcone complete / bolting up the tail feathers
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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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I see a lot of builders are putting doublers on however I didnt on my 6 and
never had a problem. Might put one on the 10 not sure yet.
Chris
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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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Sean, A lot depends on what type of flying you plan on doing. Tin Olson's web site has a list of the antennas he used. It's similar to what I've done to equip for IFR flight. Here is the link to Tim's posting on this.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/antennas/index.html
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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While not required, certainly recommended. AC43-13-2A gives details of
what FAA expects on certified aircraft, as a reference. Available on web
if you don't have it.
Chris , Susie Darcy wrote:
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I see a lot of builders are putting doublers on however I didnt on my 6
and never had a problem. Might put one on the 10 not sure yet.
Chris
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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One only needs to attend one of Kent White's classes at OSH (www.tinman.com) to know that 2024 has memory and it will talk back. Doublers are a requirement on Certified aircraft for a reason. Homebuilders are experimenters and the results are documented.
The RV-4 builders a few years ago learned this lesson on their trailing edge, control surface rivets when they stress cracked. Every builder can do which technique they want... hence the few atrocious builds of RV-10s at OSH this year. The key phrase is YET! Doublers are simple, based in logic and compliant with the simplest rules of physics.
Have fun building... I am rushing to another Kent White class on installing louvers into aluminum cowls. I would bet it will be 3003 because of the 2024 memory.
Just a thought
John Cox - $00.02
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Darcy
Sent: Sat 7/29/2006 2:52 AM
I see a lot of builders are putting doublers on however I didnt on my 6 and
never had a problem. Might put one on the 10 not sure yet.
Chris
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: Rookie questions |
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Correction on the website address. And by the way as of right now I have yet to spend money with them. It is www.tinmantech.com. Kent is one of the world's finest metalsmiths. He gives classes at OSH which would blow just about anyone away. Go to the EAA Airventure website and review the teaching schedule and class content. I spent most of my OSH time just absorbing from his classes.
I am so confident that I am about to invest in his DVD library and will share on loan those which I purchase.
Now back to John Jessen's post... no malice taken. It was a group process to view and kabitz the level of workmanship on the 9 birds at OSH. Several of those builders could care less. They care not about the intent of the 51% rule. They are motivated by financial gain.
In my 34 years in aviation I have lost 16 friends and acquaintences and several were extremely close. Kent White was hired for the special project of building the HK1 Hughes Racer. Jim Wright of Oregon (and a friend) was lost due to a series of repeatable errors which should have never happened.
I do not espouse the coulda, shoulda, woulda, wish I had said something approach. There are pictures which will be posted to let passionate, first time builders escape the kabitzing. Unless you understand the devastating consequence to the Lancair IV builders when just a few cut corners you have no idea how significant this corner cutting can reduce or eliminate your ability to insure your final production. I will stand up and take the hits just like I did for 23 years as an FAA Pilot Examiner. I just finished a memorial service for a comrade who died exactly one year ago.
Keep pounding... Its a great kit. Never cut a corner unless you know the outcome. Ask those who heard VAN speak at dinner Thursday night. The margins built in are not to be reduced lightly.
John Cox - $00.02
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Sent: Sat 7/29/2006 5:52 AM
One only needs to attend one of Kent White's classes at OSH (www.tinman.com) to know that 2024 has memory and it will talk back. Doublers are a requirement on Certified aircraft for a reason. Homebuilders are experimenters and the results are documented.
The RV-4 builders a few years ago learned this lesson on their trailing edge, control surface rivets when they stress cracked. Every builder can do which technique they want... hence the few atrocious builds of RV-10s at OSH this year. The key phrase is YET! Doublers are simple, based in logic and compliant with the simplest rules of physics.
Have fun building... I am rushing to another Kent White class on installing louvers into aluminum cowls. I would bet it will be 3003 because of the 2024 memory.
Just a thought
John Cox - $00.02
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Darcy
Sent: Sat 7/29/2006 2:52 AM
I see a lot of builders are putting doublers on however I didnt on my 6 and
never had a problem. Might put one on the 10 not sure yet.
Chris
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: Rookie questions |
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Susie and Chris, back to your valued post and positive questions. When considering doublers, school taught us to ask. "What is harder, using a doubler during the initial construction or replacing the skin when it is cracking - after the aluminum shows its memory"? What is the cost difference? The question applied to kitbuilts cause it is not an option on the certified side.
It is an interesting way to look at build questions when evaluating ideas, mods or the original steps.
John Cox – KUAO
I see a lot of builders are putting doublers on however I didn't on my 6 and
never had a problem. Might put one on the 10 not sure yet.
Chris
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