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drc(at)wscare.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Commercial rating

Gang,

I am a private SEL, instrument pilot.



I have committed to getting a commercial rating since I have flown in  

a few airshows this year and had to leave fuel funds behind.

(I also need to get busy with my FAST training so I can fly with  

everyone at OSH and some of the Red Star groups)



My question is this.  Can I get the commercial ticket in my Yak?  I  

have asked 2 flight instructors locally and both said no.  Not based  

on it being certified experimental exhibition but some other lame  

excuse.  I would have thought any CFI would want to spend several  

hours in the back seat giving instruction.  Is there any FAR that  

prohibits taking advanced training or a flight test in our planes?



Surely someone has faced this before - any help is appreciated.



Herb

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dhanshew(at)cinci.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: Commercial rating

Herb,



I did my Commercial Pilot rating in our CJ-6A last year. I practiced the

maneuvers, and did check ride prep

with a friend who was a CFI and had a Yak-52.



Not sure where you are located, but I am a CFII and know the DE very well

that gave me my flight check.



Contact me off list: dhanshew(at)cinci.rr.com



regards,  Donna Hanshew



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L39parts(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Commercial rating

Second you need to find some better flight instructors.  I suggest someone 

who likes to fly instead of someone who is building time to join the ranks 

of unemployed airline pilots.



But first you need to find an examiner.  14CFR61.45 says:



Required aircraft and equipment. (a) General. Except as provided in 

paragraph (a)(2) of this section or when permitted to accomplish the entire 

flight increment of the practical test in a flight simulator or a flight 

training device, an applicant for a certificate or rating issued under this 

part must furnish: (1) An aircraft of U.S. registry for each required test 

that-- (i) Is of the category, class, and type, if applicable, for which the 

applicant is applying for a certificate or rating; and (ii) Has a current 

standard airworthiness certificate or special airworthiness certificate in 

the limited, primary, or light-sport category. (2) At the discretion of the 

examiner who administers the practical test, the applicant may furnish-- (i) 

An aircraft that has a current airworthiness certificate other than a 

standard airworthiness certificate or special airworthiness certificate in 

the limited, primary, or light-sport category, but that otherwise meets the 

requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of this section;



The first part of that says you have to have a standard (not experimental) 

plane.  (2) says the examiner can let you use your CJ if he wants to.  He 

doesn't have to, but he can, so find the right examiner first, then find an 

instructor who wants to spend several hours in the back seat of a CJ.

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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Commercial rating

Herb,0



Here is Chapter 10 from the last DPE manual.  Review Section 2,Paragraph

3 Procedures, G - Aircraft Requirements.  There is no such restriction.

It is a personal decision between the Applicant and the DPE.



John Cox - retired since 2001 as a Commercial DPE



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scott-p(at)texas.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Commercial rating

Hi Herb,



It's probably already been answered, but the short version is: if you can 

get a CFI to do your training in the Yak, then you can do it, if not, then 

no. The flight test is a different kettle of fish but again boils down to: 

if you can get a DE or Inspector to agree to do the checkride in the Yak, 

then you can do it, if not then no. The decision to instruct or examine in a 

non-standard category aircraft is at the sole discretion of the 

instructor/examiner.



Where are you located?



Scott



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