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I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17 degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30 psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000 hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my setup?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Extremely lightly built with a suberu engine. must be near a record lite weight with that combo.
Dave
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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I think I would add some capacity to the oil system with a larger filter or better yet an oil cooler.
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Subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17 degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30 psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000 hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my setup?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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150F = 65C is a bit cool, 90C = 194F would be better.
Oil little to warm with 124C=255F
My SEAT have 90C/194F as normal marking and 130C/266F as max on water, and 100C/212F as normal and 150C/302F as max on oil, a little warmer then usual on old engines.
If you don't have you can use a water cooled oil cooler that sits under the oilfilter that will cool oil and warm water.
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Ps. a woman entered the Autoshop, and said; I want 710 !
The clerk asked, What is that? She said it says 710 on the filler on the top of engine...
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Exactly what I was thinking...I'd like to see one of my ex-wives on
that scale...I'd probably still be with her.
Lynn
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[quote] Extremely lightly built with a suberu engine. must be near a record
lite weight with that combo.
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GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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275 0n the right main, 265 on the left, and only 35 on the tail and that's with the battery and elt mounted in the back. maybe that's why I have trouble getting the tail down.
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dave
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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on the floor in tears Lynn......................
haahahahahh
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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That is really hard to believe. Mine is 301, 306, and 43, and that's
with a Jabiru 2200, my battery is on the firewall, and my ELT is just
behind the baggage sack. I did however, airfoil my vertical fin and
rudder, so that added weight. When I first came aboard this list, I was
told about the Subaru: "they are heavy...avoid at all costs". So
forgive me my skepticism...what model do you have? Mine is a IV. I had
mine weighed by an EAA tech, with aircraft scales rented from an
avionics shop and calibrated on the spot.
Not doubting you, just find it hard to swallow. : )
Lynn
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| Quote: | 275 0n the right main, 265 on the left, and only 35 on the tail and
that's with the battery and elt mounted in the back. maybe that's why
I have trouble getting the tail down.
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GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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I would say your scales were more accurate than mine but not by that much. The only things missing off the plane were the wood farings for the wing and landing gear struts. Instruments are basic, no radios or wheel pants. It is a 1050 and not a 1200. I really only entered the weight in the tread so someone could tell me if my speed/rpm/pitch relationship sounded right. By the way, I like the oil cooler idea for the oil temp but after looking on the internet at the oil filter adapter, I don't think I could get it on because you can't hardly get a filter on it now due to clearance with the motor mount.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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My Soob has a remote oil filter adapter that allows
attachment of the filter and cooler where you can get
air to them and do easier maintenance. Jegs and other
high end auto parts suppliers should have the parts
for you. I'd definately get the oil temps down and
pressure up to more around 40-50 psi in flight.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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afterlooking on the
internet at the oil filter adapter, I don't think I
could get it on because you
can't hardly get a filter on it now due to clearance
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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My classic IV has all of the speedster mods and a full panel with a Stratus Subaru and weigh in at 750. I am using 17 ½ deg on the prop and getting a top speed of 120 and a 75% cruise of 95
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Subject: Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
I would say your scales were more accurate than mine but not by that much. The only things missing off the plane were the wood farings for the wing and landing gear struts. Instruments are basic, no radios or wheel pants. It is a 1050 and not a 1200. I really only entered the weight in the tread so someone could tell me if my speed/rpm/pitch relationship sounded right. By the way, I like the oil cooler idea for the oil temp but after looking on the internet at the oil filter adapter, I don't think I could get it on because you can't hardly get a filter on it now due to clearance with the motor mount.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the prop
(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just me
(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100. If
you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I have a
water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you with
high oil temp and low water.
From: GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST
I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my
model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and it's
net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17 degrees. Max
rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It climbs like a
rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is the engine oil
temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the water temp is
only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30 psi after
engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000 hrs. It was
taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it in mine.
Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my setup?
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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Oil to water cooler, fits on the filter body.
From: GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:56:44 EST
I would say your scales were more accurate than mine but not by that much.
The only things missing off the plane were the wood farings for the wing and
landing gear struts. Instruments are basic, no radios or wheel pants. It is
a 1050 and not a 1200. I really only entered the weight in the tread so
someone could tell me if my speed/rpm/pitch relationship sounded right. By
the way, I like the oil cooler idea for the oil temp but after looking on
the internet at the oil filter adapter, I don't think I could get it on
because you can't hardly get a filter on it now due to clearance with the
motor mount.
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wannafly
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop
rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is only
80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options
and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list
thanks
mic
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Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300
<janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the prop
(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just me
(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100.
If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I have
a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you
with high oil temp and low water.
From: GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST
I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my
model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and
it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17
degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It
climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is
the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the
water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30
psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000
hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it
in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my
setup?
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propellerdesign(at)tele2.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Mic
Have you calibrated the RPM tech and your airspeed indicator?
Jan
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propellerdesign(at)tele2.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Use a remote oil filter system.
Jan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Yes, I'm blown away as to how well my wee beast goes and checked ASI with
GPS and spot on. I have an EA81T EFI. EA82 turbo. 72" Warpdrive and 2.1:1
reduction HDI drive. Fairings on undercarriage mounts, speedster tail. Are
you turbo-ed?
From: "mic thiessen" <wannaflyfox4(at)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:11:24 -0700
those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop
rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is only
80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options
and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list
thanks
mic
| Quote: | From: "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300
<janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the prop
(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just me
(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100.
If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I have
a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you
with high oil temp and low water.
From: GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST
I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my
model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and
it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17
degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It
climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is
the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while the
water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around 30
psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000
hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed it
in mine. Compresssions are all 175. Are these parameters normal for my
setup?
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Fox5flyer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Mic, my S5 is 885 empty and I cruise about 108 ias at 3900 rpm at 22" MP and
4gph fuel flow. I do have the NSI CAP prop which probably accounts for a
lot of the performance and also lots of fairings including fuel caps and
radiator and wheels.
Oil/coolant temp on an 80 degree day are generally around 200f.
What type of Soob are you running? Perhaps you don't have enough prop
pitch? Normal aspirated or turbo?
Deke
S5/NSI EA81 normally aspirated and CAP
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those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop
rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is
only
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| Quote: | 80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options
and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list
thanks
mic
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300
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><janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
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>Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the
prop
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| Quote: | >(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just
me
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| Quote: | >(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100.
>If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I
have
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| Quote: | >a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you
>with high oil temp and low water.
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>From: GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST
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>I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my
>model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and
>it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17
>degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It
>climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is
>the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while
the
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| Quote: | >water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around
30
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| Quote: | >psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000
>hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed
it
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kirkhull(at)kc.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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Your empty weight is about the same as mine but I bet you do not have enough
pitch in the prop. When I first flew mine I had 11 deg in the prop and got
about the same # you have then I increased it to 17 1/2 and got a cruise in
the 90's. What pitch are you using?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers |
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You will find that the turbo sort of takes the place of an adjustable prop.
With your adjustable you are aiming to keep the RPM in the top of the Tq
curve, with a correctly matched turbo you have a nice wide flat curve, thus
enabling operation near the top over a broad range. I also have an
intercooler as well which further helps.~j~
From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)i-star.com>
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:04:58 -0500
Mic, my S5 is 885 empty and I cruise about 108 ias at 3900 rpm at 22" MP and
4gph fuel flow. I do have the NSI CAP prop which probably accounts for a
lot of the performance and also lots of fairings including fuel caps and
radiator and wheels.
Oil/coolant temp on an 80 degree day are generally around 200f.
What type of Soob are you running? Perhaps you don't have enough prop
pitch? Normal aspirated or turbo?
Deke
S5/NSI EA81 normally aspirated and CAP
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those are amazing numbers. I do not come close to those. what is your prop
rpm? I have a warp drive prop and at 4000 rpm engine speed my cruise is
only
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| Quote: | 80 mph at best...what am I doing wrong...I have all the speedster options
and an empty weight of 750 lbs. feel free to e-mail me off list
thanks
mic
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:54:29 +1300
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><janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
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>Yes, those liittle EA81's go eh, I have a turbo EFI 81. 17.5deg on the
prop
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| Quote: | >(WDrive) and at best rate of climb speed 1700fpm with 1/2 tanks and just
me
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| Quote: | >(80kgs) on board. All the speedster bits and I get 100kts cruise at 4100.
>If you can get your oil timp down to 90c the pressure should be 40+. I
have
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| Quote: | >a water to oil heat exchanger, keeps the delta close. Could work for you
>with high oil temp and low water.
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>From: GENTRYLL(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: EA-81 Subaru Drivers
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:16:57 EST
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>I received some good advice a few days ago on landing techniques for my
>model IV, so I thoughtI would pass this by you also. I built my Fox and
>it's net weight is 575 lbs. The warp drive prop pitch is set at 17
>degrees. Max rpm it will achieve for takeoff is 4900, uncalibrated. It
>climbs like a rocket and cruise speed at 4200 rpms is 95 mph. My worry is
>the engine oil temp runs in the low yellow at around 255 degrees while
the
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| Quote: | >water temp is only about 150 degrees. Oil pressure levels off at around
30
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| Quote: | >psi after engine warms up. The engine is a NSI version with approx 1000
>hrs. It was taken out of another kitfox that met a deer and I installed
it
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