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AMuller589(at)AOL.COM
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 Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: why tailwheels |
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Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard surfaces look at the geometry. Besides being more reliable in getting you home from a long trip a nose wheel gives better visibillity see the attached. The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology. The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance.
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Richard Rabbers
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: why tailwheels |
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Not addressing the question but on subject ... here's some impressive to me - tricycle gear .... and more... performance.
A friend of mine owns a C-182 w/ Peterson Canard Conversion.
I've not seen the plane but heard more about it yesterday.
His plane was part of a presentation at Oshkosh a few years ago.
The design path was originated with a Robinson Wren... then on from there. I'd guess than many of you are familar with the conversion.
A current model is the 'Bushmaster'.
Maybe we can open the doors and use our hands for the canards:)
(2 short videos)
http://www.260se.com/video.html
(13 minute video)
http://www.260se.com/images/program.mov
This is out of our (my) leauge but impressive in any case.
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FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: why tailwheels |
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Come fly with us here in TX and we'll take you into
some fields that will promptly make a nosegear
retractable (whether it was fixed or not!) Hard turf
with a few bumps is all it takes.
My friend's KR2 just went through a conversion from
nosegear to taildragger for that simple reason. The
nosegear was removed by a very experienced test pilot
around the 8th hour of testing. Nosegear just won't
stand up to the punishment.
Many of our friends with tricycles are always
hesistant going to fly-ins on grass as they're always
worried about their nosewheels...
BTW, I believe you confused tricycle vs conventional
gear below...
Regards,
Ted
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Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard
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The only reason tricycle gear
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hflynn46531(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: why tailwheels |
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I suppose that is why they use tailwheel planes exclusively in Alaska for flying into the bush because they flip over easier on rough surfaces.
AMuller589(at)aol.com wrote: | Quote: | Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard surfaces look at the geometry. Besides being more reliable in getting you home from a long trip a nose wheel gives better visibillity see the attached. The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology. The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance.
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kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: why tailwheels |
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From a design point of view a tail wheel is a much stronger gear (as well as lighter) that is why they are used for bush planes in Alaska where the runways are rough. A nose wheel is always the week link. That is why the first thing you do in a soft field takeoff is get the weight off the nose wheel. As far as hp the F4U was designed to operate from rough island strips carved out of jungle and there for had a tail wheel. With around 2000HP the weight of a nose wheel has little to do with it.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harold Flynn
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I suppose that is why they use tailwheel planes exclusively in Alaska for flying into the bush because they flip over easier on rough surfaces.
AMuller589(at)aol.com wrote:
Tail wheels flip over easier on rough or hard surfaces look at the geometry. Besides being more reliable in getting you home from a long trip a nose wheel gives better visibillity [i]see the attached[/i]. The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology. The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance.
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runwayrex(at)juno.com
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: why tailwheels |
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The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they were unknown technology?
WHAT?
The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and therefore gives better performance???[quote]Do either of these two sentences even make any sense? Both statements are contradictory.[b]
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Lynn Matteson
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: why tailwheels |
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I couldn't figure out all that nonsense either, Rex...and what about
the "getting you home from a long trip"? I just mentally put that whole
bit into the "round file"...
Lynn
On Saturday, August 19, 2006, at 05:37 PM, Rexster wrote:
| Quote: | The only reason tricycle gear was used in early aircraft is that they
were unknown technology?
WHAT?
The heavier nosewheel is too much for very marginal engine power and
therefore gives better performance???
Do either of these two sentences even make any sense?
Both statements are contradictory.
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