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tigeryak18t

Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Posts: 233
Location: PARIS FRANCE

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Hello to all



question :

Is it possible to change a motor with about 300 hours running only with mineral oil and change to a dispersant oil like the aeroshell w100.

Is it possible?

Anyone who has experienced this.

If yes what kind of operation should be done to do so?

Cleaning the oil filter every 10hours???



Thanks for every bit of experiance you would share



Kind regards



Didier

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Deutsche-Werke

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Posts: 11

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Changing type of oil

Hi.

I do operate my M14p (M462RF) with Automotive 15W40 mineral oil

of cheapest kind. The oil pressure is well. 

Yours, Uwe Wulf

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Why not consider changing over to the Philips radial engine  oil, 25W-60, which is a mineral based oil that can be used during break in  and for the life of the engine.  

 Dennis    

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MONTY(at)bpaengines.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

The problem with automotive oil is that it does not have any additives

to deal with the

Lead-Bromide byproduct of combustion.  This winds up in your oil.

Lead-Bromide is both

Corrosive and abrasive.

Monty Barrett



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Deutsche-Werke

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Posts: 11

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Changing type of oil

Hi Monty.

The gasoline I use, has no lead content at all.

It does harm the environment, as you know.

Yours, Uwe Wulf

yakplt(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Excuse me, Uwe Wulf.... 

  

 Do you feel your recommendations for engine oil and type of fuel for the M-14P are representative of the interests of the majority of this lists readers or just yourself?  

  

 Just curious.  

  

 Mark Bitterlich

  

 



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Subject: Re: Changing type of oil

To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 6:07 PM



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Hi Monty.

The gasoline I use, has no lead content at all.

It does harm the environment, as you know.

Yours, Uwe Wulf





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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Mark,   

   

Uwe is the guy who has am M14P running on a VERY small car. But it is on 4 wheels, so since it does not fly (yet ?) some aviation concerns don’t bother him.  

The car is a very small thing, built in the 1950’s in Germany, so small that the owner did not need a driver’s license. This made it very popular in Germany after WWII (when many ex-soldiers could not get a driver’s license).  

It certainly is impressive seeing this big radial taking almost all the room inside this small car. The exhausts are in the middle, of the car...And when it starts ...  

   

Uwe, can’t you post a few pictures? It’s not easy for non-German speeking people to find them on your website.  

   

Jan   

     

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Excuse me, Uwe Wulf....    

      

    

      

Do you feel your recommendations for engine oil and type   of fuel for the M-14P are representative of the interests of the majority of   this lists readers or just yourself?     

      

    

      

Just curious.     

      

    

      

Mark Bitterlich   

      

    

      



   

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   From: Deutsche-Werke <wulf(at)deutsche-werke.de>

   Subject: Re: Changing type of oil

   To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 6:07 PM      

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   Hi Monty.

   The gasoline I use, has no lead content at all.

   It does harm the environment, as you know.

   Yours, Uwe Wulf

   

   

   

   

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westcoastkitplanes(at)gma
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Here's a link to the German car with the M14 radial. http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-09/06-29-09page-Radial-engine-powered-compact-car.htm I wonder if he has the Spark Plug Conversion Kit on it.

 

Cheers Guys,

Jeff



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 The gasoline I use, has no lead content at all.

 It does harm the environment, as you know.

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Deutsche-Werke

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Changing type of oil

Hi.

Of course, I can test out some new ways

to operate the engine, because in case of failure

it just stop on the side of the road.

I made some movies and put them up to youtube.com

My youtube chanal there is "dwerke".

Just type for dwerke and you will find more movies

in original quality.

Next year (2010) we will test this car more and more

under higher power. Actually this year it was the problem

that the gasoline supply by electric pump was too less.

I will also try to pass it street legal. After this is done, the

project is complete and I can start another project.

Yours, Uwe Wulf

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: Changing type of oil

He said he would never use the automotive conversion kit on an  airplane.

 Dennis

  

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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Changing type of oil

I can't imagine getting in the back seat of that car to change plugs or harness.

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george(at)gesoco.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: Changing type of oil

The attached is a beautiful radial engine car... 

George Coy

CAS Ltd.

714 Airport Rd.

Swanton VT 05488

802-868-5633 off

802-363-5782 cell

george.coy(at)gmail.com

http://coyafct.com/

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eddiemoranii(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: Changing type of oil

And this....



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Subject: RE: Re: Changing type of oil

To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 1:26 PM



The attached is a beautiful radial engine car... 

George Coy

CAS Ltd.

714 Airport Rd.

Swanton VT 05488

802-868-5633 off

802-363-5782 cell

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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: Changing type of oil

And it's an eight cylinder? Or am I mistaking ? Might need other glasses ...



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george(at)gesoco.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Ah Ha you are correct and it has an even number of cylinder because ..... It

is a 2 cycle engine! 

George Coy

CAS Ltd.

714 Airport Rd.

Swanton VT 05488

802-868-5633 off

802-363-5782 cell

george.coy(at)gmail.com

http://coyafct.com/

SKYPE george.coy



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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

Thanks, George!



Jan



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doug(at)ripleyair.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

but if it's a 2-cycle engine why does it still have a pool of oil under it?

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Deutsche-Werke

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Posts: 11

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Changing type of oil

Hi.

There was also another radial engine powered car

design: The Volkswagen Beetle`s early prototypes

had a 5 cyl. 1200cc radial engine in the rear.

This VW- and the Monaco-Trossi racer`s engines were

not aero engines.

If anyone could find another car with radial aero engine,

please let me know...

Yours, Uwe Wulf

tigeryak18t

Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Posts: 233
Location: PARIS FRANCE

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Changing type of oil

OK so as far as I read I can see nice pics and nice cars but no answer...

is it possible to change from mineral to  100W without danger (obstruction of oil system due to mud going into the system..).

If I understnd well Deniss it could be possible to use a mineral based oil better than the aeroshell. But changing to a W100 (for example??)

Is it possible to use a 15W50 for example??



Kind regards

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george(at)gesoco.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: Changing type of oil

We recommend that if an engine has over 100 hrs with the Russian oil then it

is better to stick to straight mineral oils.  The Russian oils were

particularly prevalent to coking at higher temperatures. In fact several

eastern block aircraft engines had longer TBO if operated on Western

detergent oils. (LOM engines). You will often see an Aeroshell or ELF

sticker on older Zlins to note that they were operating on western oils and

thus had longer service lives. 

George Coy

CAS Ltd.

714 Airport Rd.

Swanton VT 05488

802-868-5633 off

802-363-5782 cell

george.coy(at)gmail.com

http://coyafct.com/

SKYPE george.coy



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