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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

I am thinking about buying a unfinished classic 4 and would like to make it
a trigear, would anyone know where there is nose gear parts and also engine
mount parts for a lycoming. cell# 319 520 5177, thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Jerry sez:

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I am thinking about buying a unfinished classic 4 and would like to
make it a trigear, would anyone know where there is nose gear parts
and also engine mount parts for a lycoming.

Nose wheel parts should be available from Kitfox, LLC:
<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com>. Before you make the purchase, you
should run some weight and balance numbers and consider the weight of
that engine. You may find that you won't have much useful load left
unless you go with a lighter engine.

Mike G.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:15 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

At 06:32 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote:
Quote:
>Thanks , I checked with Kitfox and the parts are pretty pricey new,
>what other engines are availible, I just don't like Rotax.

Don't like Rotax, eh? Well, there's the Rotec radial, for that
Stearman look. (http://www.rotecradialengines.com/) There's the HKS
opposed twin, a replacement for the 582. (www.hpower-ltd.com, and
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/ pushes these heavily.) Then
there's Jabiru, of course, with two air cooled engines, 85 and 120
hp, highly recommended by several on this list. (I know Michel likes
his Jabiru.) A quick check of the Jabiru web site,
http://www.jabiru.net.au/, shows installation packages for Kitfoxes
1-4 for the 85 hp engine and for Kitfoxes 4 & 5 for the 120 hp
engine. (Be careful of their horsepower claims, Jabiru markets the 85
as a replacement for the 65 hp Rotax 582, and the 120 as a
replacement for 100-120 hp engines. I don't know why. As I said there
is good information on their relative performance in the archives and
on this list.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Jerry,

I would be interested in your reasons for not liking Rotax.

Lowell
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, I will look up those sites.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Think about the Jabiru 2200. That's what I've got and I love it.
Lynn
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On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Jerry Saar wrote:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Don't forget the Geo 1.0L G10. Equivalent to the Rotax in power, and several
distinct advantages over the two strokes.

Bradley

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

I feel the rotax are overpriced , short lived, expensive to overhaul and
then they are liquid cooled on top of it, and the gearboxes sound like my
great granpa's threshing machine. there has has to be something better. I
have built two glasairs with lycomings but they seem too big for a kitfox.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

I wouldnt run a Geo,or a Suburu on any
aircraft..............................,ben there done
that............................!
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[Original Message]
From: Bradley M Webb <bmwebb(at)cox.net>
To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: 3/22/2007 6:46:28 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Nose gear parts



Don't forget the Geo 1.0L G10. Equivalent to the Rotax in power, and
several

[quote] distinct advantages over the two strokes.

Bradley

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, of course. But that's a pretty vague
statement.

My G10 is running superbly. Smooth, 2gph, and good power. Like the Subie,
many hours on many planes...few problems.

Run what you like, but he asked for options to the Rotax.

I'm not sure of the Classic IV, but if the airframe can handle the weight,
and the money doesn't scare you, look at the Continental O-200. It is heavy,
but they are really nice motors. I'd go that way if building a 'fox with a
higher MTOW.

Bradley

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:31 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Oh come on, Lowell. He doesn't like them for the same reason many others of
us don't. Too noisy, too much vibration, outrageous prices (for what they
are), too many rebuilds, sudden stoppages...the list goes on and on.

You've heard it all before...
Bradley

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:45 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Mark,

I have to disagree as your statement is way too broad.

I have a 912 on my 'Fox but I run a Sube on my
Nieuport and I couldn't ask for a better engine for
that plane.

Apparently you either had poor setups or bad
engines. A great engine selected (or poorly setup)
for the wrong application will yield poor results.

Regards,

Ted

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To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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<kr2(at)earthlink.net>

Quote:

I wouldnt run a Geo,or a Suburu on any
aircraft..............................,ben there done
that............................!
> [Original Message]
> From: Bradley M Webb <bmwebb(at)cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>
> Date: 3/22/2007 6:46:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Re: Nose gear parts
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Webb" <bmwebb(at)cox.net>

Quote:
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> Don't forget the Geo 1.0L G10. Equivalent to the
Rotax in power, and

[quote]several
> distinct advantages over the two strokes.
>
> Bradley
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Thanks Jerry,

I will offer an opinion. Overpriced? likely true. Short lived? I could
argue that point unless you are referring to the two stroke. I just did a
comprehensive annual condition inspection and the compression was 78, 79,
78, 79 over 80 after 830 hours and I have never used a drop of oil between
oil changes. Lots of folks like the water cooled because there are certain
inflight issues that are a no brainer with water cooling and cooling system
failures are virtually non existant. I have never heard of one. The gear
boxes are noisy, but, of course, that is engineered into it to smooth out
the torsional vibration. You never hear it in flight.

I might encourage you to reconsider Rotax if you are interested in
performance. I doubt at this point there is an engine in it's weight class
that can compete in performance in the Kitfox.

One thing that a Rotax pilot has to overcome or more exactly ignore is the
lawn blower comments. It doesn't bother me as I doubt the Lyconimg and
Continental guys have been to places I have been and flown at the locations
I have flown and landed at some of the places. And for that matter taken
off from places and climbed out without having to find the thermals or
flying the 360s to get over a ridge.

I might suggest, with some prejudice of course, that you can't beat the
Rotax for performance and reliability.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Bradley,

If I might, I would like an answer from Jerry which incidentally came this
morning. But too noisy? - you gotta be kidding. I live in a residential
airpark and get tons of comments on my quiet engine and this from folks that
are immersed in aviation. Vibration? - kidding again. Outrageous prices? -
you may have a point there, but lose the argument when you add (for what
they are). With out a doubt they are the best performing engines in the
lighter Kitfoxes hands down. If your goal is setting a low cost record as
some have tried in the scrounged parts hobby - as reported occasionally in
the mags - you have a point, but if you want to fly behind an extemely
reliable, high power / weight engine, you can't beat the R-9xx series
engines or even the two strokes in their hp range.

I'd Love to have you join the group on it's way down to Arizona to the
Desert Fox Squadron fly-in next week or maybe the group flight this summer
to Idaho's back country to compare performance - side by side. Or maybe
better get together with Dave and fly along side him as he does his short
field takeoffs in his early 582 powered Kitfox - yours is a II, isn't it? I
think he has a II.

I think you just caused about 100 guys on the list to choke on their coffee
this morning after reading your post - both the 582 and 912 - 14 guys.

Lowell
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

Amen Lowell. I wouldn't take anything for the 912 in
my Kitfox. 10 yrs and 400hrs and it still runs
strong and quiet. With that said, I'm not brand
centric either as I have the Sube in the N11 and I'm
putting an 0-360 in the Bearhawk I'm building. To me
it's all about picking the right engine for the right
application.

Regards,

Ted
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From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Nose gear parts

Quote:

<lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>

Quote:

Thanks Jerry,

I will offer an opinion. Overpriced? likely true.
Short lived? I could

Quote:
argue that point unless you are referring to the two
stroke. I just did a

Quote:
comprehensive annual condition inspection and the
compression was 78, 79,

Quote:
78, 79 over 80 after 830 hours and I have never used
a drop of oil between

Quote:
oil changes. Lots of folks like the water cooled
because there are certain

Quote:
inflight issues that are a no brainer with water
cooling and cooling system

Quote:
failures are virtually non existant. I have never
heard of one. The gear

Quote:
boxes are noisy, but, of course, that is engineered
into it to smooth out

Quote:
the torsional vibration. You never hear it in flight.

I might encourage you to reconsider Rotax if you
are interested in

Quote:
performance. I doubt at this point there is an
engine in it's weight class

Quote:
that can compete in performance in the Kitfox.

One thing that a Rotax pilot has to overcome or more
exactly ignore is the

Quote:
lawn blower comments. It doesn't bother me as I
doubt the Lyconimg and

Quote:
Continental guys have been to places I have been and
flown at the locations

Quote:
I have flown and landed at some of the places. And
for that matter taken

Quote:
off from places and climbed out without having to
find the thermals or

Quote:
flying the 360s to get over a ridge.

I might suggest, with some prejudice of course, that
you can't beat the

[quote]Rotax for performance and reliability.

Lowell
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Nose gear parts Reply with quote

After the last couple of weeks on this list, I'm about done with posting
here. I have mine, you have yours...I'll leave it at that, and not get
sucked into this argument.

Good day,
Bradley

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