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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

I don't want to start a primer war here, but on my RV-4 I didn't like  

the set up for the upper cowl using the pins for attachment to the  

firewall so I went with SkyBolt Fasteners.  The set up on the -10  

seems much better.  I like the clean look of not seeing the pins, but  

I like the ease of the SkyBolt Fasteners (but I don't like the looks  

of them).



So my question is for those who either have the pins or have done both  

(repeat offenders) how much of a pain in the (at)ss are the pins to  

remove and install?  Is it a good set up, or do you think the cam lock  

set up is better?  Let not talk the cost of the SlyBolts because I  

already bought them...



Thanks

-Mike Kraus

RV-4 Flying

RV-10 Cowling, wiring, FWF

Sent from my iPhone

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

Mike,



I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.



Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.



Bob

N442PM (flying)



--

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

On the top though it is a nice clean look.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Mike,

 

 I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

 would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

 screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

 

 Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

 Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

 

 Bob

 N442PM (flying)

 

 --

robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:47 am Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

Here is a glimpse of how the SkyBolts look on a -10 (SJ) cowl. Pins definitely look cleaner. SB's are more industrial looking. Since we are not discussing costs I won’t mention that my 6A uses $0.05 S/S screws that work as well as SkyBolts.  

   

Robin  

   

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock  

format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of  

the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as  

good or better.

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

 working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

 or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

 And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

 On the top though it is a nice clean look.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:

> 

> >

> Mike,

> I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

> would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

> screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

> Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

> weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a  

> while.

> Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

> Bob

> N442PM (flying)

> --

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

Jesse, Bob... what's the reason for using something other than the hinges for the bottom of the lower cowl?

  

 thanks...

  

 -Rob

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

 

I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as good or better.

 

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

352-427-0285



Sent from my iPhone   

 



On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

On the top though it is a nice clean look.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>

 Mike,

I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

Bob

N442PM (flying)

--

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

The hinge eyelets have a record of breaking.  This is just the ones on the short pin underneath the bottom cowl.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Apr 9, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:

[quote]Jesse, Bob... what's the reason for using something other than the hinges for the bottom of the lower cowl?

  

 thanks...

  

 -Rob

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

 

I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as good or better.

 

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

352-427-0285



Sent from my iPhone  

 



On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:



 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

On the top though it is a nice clean look.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>

 Mike,

I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

Bob

N442PM (flying)

--

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

The hinge eyelets on the bottom of the lower cowl will break over time because of vibration.  Many people have put the hinge segments on and then after they break switched over to screws.  I decided to just install the screw setup from the beginning.  Tim probably has pix on his site.  

   

Bob  

N442PM (flying)    

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:44 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

     

Jesse, Bob... what's the reason for using something other than the hinges for the bottom of the lower cowl?  

    

   

    

thanks...  

    

   

    

-Rob  

    

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

 

 I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as good or better.

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 352-427-0285

 

 Sent from my iPhone       



 

 On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

 working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

 or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

 And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

 On the top though it is a nice clean look.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>

 Mike,

 I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

 would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

 screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

 Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

 Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

 Bob

 N442PM (flying)

 --

rv(at)thelefflers.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:55 pm Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

I know they’re expensive, but has anyone tried carbinges yet? (www.carbinge.com)  I wonder if they’ll break if placed on the bottom too?  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:09 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

The hinge eyelets on the bottom of the lower cowl will break over time because of vibration.  Many people have put the hinge segments on and then after they break switched over to screws.  I decided to just install the screw setup from the beginning.  Tim probably has pix on his site.  

Bob  

N442PM (flying)    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:44 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

Jesse, Bob... what's the reason for using something other than the hinges for the bottom of the lower cowl?  

thanks...  

-Rob  

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

 I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as good or better.

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 352-427-0285

 Sent from my iPhone       

 On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

 working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

 or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

 And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

 On the top though it is a nice clean look.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>

 Mike,

 I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

 would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

 screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

 Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

 Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

 Bob

 N442PM (flying)

 --

bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

I didn’t think you were supposed to use carbon or graphite in contact with aluminum?  Aren’t these carbon fiber hinges?  

   

Back to the original question, I used skybolt “camlocs” all the way around on my 7A.  Lots of work to mount them…lots more weight, lots of time.  On the 10, I think I’ll use hinges for everything but the bottom…It takes me about 15 seconds to undo the bottom camlocks on my 7A…no big deal to undo 6 camlocks…  

   

Bob  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:00 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

  

   

I know they’re expensive, but has anyone tried carbinges yet? (www.carbinge.com)  I wonder if they’ll break if placed on the bottom too?  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:09 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

  

   

The hinge eyelets on the bottom of the lower cowl will break over time because of vibration.  Many people have put the hinge segments on and then after they break switched over to screws.  I decided to just install the screw setup from the beginning.  Tim probably has pix on his site.  

   

Bob  

N442PM (flying)    

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:44 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

     

Jesse, Bob... what's the reason for using something other than the hinges for the bottom of the lower cowl?  

    

   

    

thanks...  

    

   

    

-Rob  

    

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

 

 I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as good or better.

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 352-427-0285

 

 Sent from my iPhone       



 

 On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

 working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

 or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

 And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

 On the top though it is a nice clean look.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>

 Mike,

 I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

 would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

 screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

 Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

 Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

 Bob

 N442PM (flying)

 --

carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

I used hinges on my 8A all the way around, no problems.  I’ll do the same on the 10.    

   

I will also have the side hinge pins installed/removed from the cockpit.   

   

Carl Froehlich  

RV-8A (450 hrs)  

RV-10 (fuselage)  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:30 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

  

   

I didn’t think you were supposed to use carbon or graphite in contact with aluminum?  Aren’t these carbon fiber hinges?  

   

Back to the original question, I used skybolt “camlocs” all the way around on my 7A.  Lots of work to mount them…lots more weight, lots of time.  On the 10, I think I’ll use hinges for everything but the bottom…It takes me about 15 seconds to undo the bottom camlocks on my 7A…no big deal to undo 6 camlocks…  

   

Bob  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:00 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

  

   

I know they’re expensive, but has anyone tried carbinges yet? (www.carbinge.com)  I wonder if they’ll break if placed on the bottom too?  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:09 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

  

   

The hinge eyelets on the bottom of the lower cowl will break over time because of vibration.  Many people have put the hinge segments on and then after they break switched over to screws.  I decided to just install the screw setup from the beginning.  Tim probably has pix on his site.  

   

Bob  

N442PM (flying)    

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman

 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:44 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts  

  

     

Jesse, Bob... what's the reason for using something other than the hinges for the bottom of the lower cowl?  

    

   

    

thanks...  

    

   

    

-Rob  

    

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

 

 I have done both and much prefer the look and ease of the stock format.  I like the option of skybolt fasteners for the bottom part of the lower cowl instead of the pins, but nutplates & screws is just as good or better.

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 352-427-0285

 

 Sent from my iPhone       



 

 On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Put me down for the same.  I like the pins. They seem to be

 working out real well.  Once I even had the top cowl off

 or nearly off before my hangar door could crank down.

 And, I have screws on the bottom, because those eyelets

 definitely will break if you just use hinge there.

 On the top though it is a nice clean look.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>

 Mike,

 I've been flying for almost a year, am happy with the stock setup and

 would do it that way again.  Only change I made was to use

 screws/nutplates on the lower cowl bottom attach.

 Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about things so I'd give more

 weight to the opinions of those that have been flying for quite a while.

 Tim Olson, Scott Schmidt, etc.

 Bob

 N442PM (flying)

 --

lbgjb10

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 67

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Cowl Pins or Sky Bolts

second RV.  First had all pins--yucko--the 10 has the 2 side pins (it does look cleaner there and they are pretty easy to remove, replace, BUT I really like the skybolts  in all other places.  IMHO looks are fine, and much easier to use.  larry

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