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antdea2000(at)yahoo.com.a
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Does anybody have any info on installing long range wing tanks in a Yak 18T?

Thanks,

Ant.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
It is not a simple job!
You have the choice of a single 180 litre tank each side which is not great from the position of quantity measure ment.
The better solution is a separate 85 litre tank in each wing with a separate filler and a non-return valve between the two.
BUT either means that you have to compromise the strength of the wing and this strength has to be replaced.
Also,all has to be done in a proper wing-jig to keep the wing straight.So not a job to be done at home!!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
I’m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
How often do you need the long range of the extra fuel?

I was at Sun&Fun airshow and at one of the exhibitors booths was a guys selling flexible bladders tanks. They were different sizes and shapes. One was even shape like a seat. (I personally don't think I could bring myself to sit on one). Some years ago (3) I looked into the possibility of getting tankage for a possible Trans-Atlantic flight for the B-24. These would have hung in the bomb bay much like the "Tokyo" tanks of WW2. It was quite possible with these bladder tanks.

I am not that familiar with the 18T's fuel system but would it be possible to put a bladder tank in that humongous baggage compartment and hook into the regular fuel system?

Size and how much fuel you could carry would depend on c/g constraints. There is always compermise in design. The idea of carrying fuel in the fuselage may not be the best of ideas, but has been done so since the very first airplane. Depending on the government you live under, that might cause more head aches than getting a tank to fit somewhere.

Jim "Pappy" Goolsby





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richard.goode(at)russiana
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:01 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
There is also a simple factory mod. for a 130 litre tank in the rear baggage compartment.No fuel management-this gets used first and then it goes over to the normal wing-tanks.
The 18T is a big plane with a lot of room inside,but this does take up two-thirds of the compartment.AND,with a big guys in the rear seat,the C o G is getting a fair way back!!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Has anyone looked at the YAK-52 wing bladders as a replacement for the cans in the 18T’s wing? I do not know much about the 18T fuel system so that is why I ask the question. There is a great article by Gil Hayes in the Fall RPA magazine on installing the fuel bladders in the YAK-52. Are the bays in the 18T the same size? If so, then the RU design bureau has signed off on the instillation of bladders in the 52 for EU use. Why would that not work for the 18T?
Doc

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard.Goode
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Subject: Re: Yak Wing Tanks



It is not a simple job!

You have the choice of a single 180 litre tank each side which is not great from the position of quantity measure ment.

The better solution is a separate 85 litre tank in each wing with a separate filler and a non-return valve between the two.

BUT either means that you have to compromise the strength of the wing and this strength has to be replaced.

Also,all has to be done in a proper wing-jig to keep the wing straight.So not a job to be done at home!!

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom



Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
I’m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160.




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Does anybody have any info on installing long range wing tanks in a Yak 18T?



Thanks,



Ant.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Unfortunately Doc, the Yak 52 fuel bladders will not fit the 18T, nor will the CJ6 bladders. They can definitely be fabricated though. It would require an 18T to take all the measurements etc. and then to install the initial prototype bladders just like we did for the Yak 52 bladders.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Copy. If there is as much space in the bays of the 18T as the 52 or even the 50, then there is potential.
doc

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
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Unfortunately Doc, the Yak 52 fuel bladders will not fit the 18T, nor will the CJ6 bladders. They can definitely be fabricated though. It would require an 18T to take all the measurements etc. and then to install the initial prototype bladders just like we did for the Yak 52 bladders.

Dennis
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Subject: RE: Yak Wing Tanks



Has anyone looked at the YAK-52 wing bladders as a replacement for the cans in the 18T’s wing? I do not know much about the 18T fuel system so that is why I ask the question. There is a great article by Gil Hayes in the Fall RPA magazine on installing the fuel bladders in the YAK-52. Are the bays in the 18T the same size? If so, then the RU design bureau has signed off on the instillation of bladders in the 52 for EU use. Why would that not work for the 18T?
Doc

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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:56 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak Wing Tanks



It is not a simple job!

You have the choice of a single 180 litre tank each side which is not great from the position of quantity measure ment.

The better solution is a separate 85 litre tank in each wing with a separate filler and a non-return valve between the two.

BUT either means that you have to compromise the strength of the wing and this strength has to be replaced.

Also,all has to be done in a proper wing-jig to keep the wing straight.So not a job to be done at home!!

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom



Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
I’m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160.




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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:00 PM

Subject: Yak Wing Tanks



Does anybody have any info on installing long range wing tanks in a Yak 18T?



Thanks,



Ant.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
I would be interested in studying bladers for the 18THow can this be done from afar.?????
Didier

2010/4/18 Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)>
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Copy. If there is as much space in the bays of the 18T as the 52 or even the 50, then there is potential.
doc
 
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
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Unfortunately Doc, the Yak 52 fuel bladders will not fit the 18T, nor will the CJ6 bladders.  They can definitely be fabricated though.  It would require an 18T to take all the measurements etc. and then to install the initial prototype bladders just like we did for the Yak 52 bladders.

Dennis
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Subject: RE: Yak Wing Tanks

 

Has anyone looked at the YAK-52 wing bladders as a replacement for the cans in the 18T’s wing? I do not know much about the 18T fuel system so that is why I ask the question. There is a great article by Gil Hayes in the Fall RPA magazine on installing the fuel bladders in the YAK-52. Are the bays in the 18T the same size?  If so, then the RU design bureau has signed off on the instillation of bladders in the 52 for EU use. Why would that not work for the 18T?
Doc
 
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:56 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Yak Wing Tanks


 
It is not a simple job!

You have the choice of a single 180 litre tank each side which is not great from the position of quantity measure ment.

The better solution is a separate 85 litre tank in each wing with a separate filler and a non-return valve between the two.

BUT either means that you have to compromise the strength of the wing and this strength has to be replaced.

Also,all has to be done in a proper wing-jig to keep the wing straight.So not a job to be done at home!!

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom

 

Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
I’m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160.

 

 
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Subject: Yak Wing Tanks

 

Does anybody have any info on installing long range wing tanks in a Yak 18T?

 

Thanks,

 

Ant.


 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Dennis Savarese sells the 52 bladders. He is on the list. Contact him with the bay’s measurements. But before doing that contact him for all he would need before pulling a can.
Doc

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I would be interested in studying bladers for the 18T
How can this be done from afar.?????



Didier
2010/4/18 Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)>
Copy. If there is as much space in the bays of the 18T as the 52 or even the 50, then there is potential.
doc

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Unfortunately Doc, the Yak 52 fuel bladders will not fit the 18T, nor will the CJ6 bladders. They can definitely be fabricated though. It would require an 18T to take all the measurements etc. and then to install the initial prototype bladders just like we did for the Yak 52 bladders.

Dennis
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Remove the fuel tanks and make a full size template using poster board or something similar of the fuel tank cavity. Be sure to carefully mark the fuel filler opening as well as the holes in the ribs for the vent line and fuel feed. Contact me off-list once you have completed this and I will give you an address to ship the template to. Using your template we may be able to approximate the cost for 18T fuel bladders.
Dennis
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Didier, first ask the Hungarians if they agree with this kind of modification....

Just my 2 cents ...

BR,

Jan

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Remove the fuel tanks and make a full size template using poster board or something similar of the fuel tank cavity. Be sure to carefully mark the fuel filler opening as well as the holes in the ribs for the vent line and fuel feed. Contact me off-list once you have completed this and I will give you an address to ship the template to. Using your template we may be able to approximate the cost for 18T fuel bladders.

Dennis
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I would be interested in studying bladers for the 18T
How can this be done from afar.?????



Didier
2010/4/18 Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)>
Copy. If there is as much space in the bays of the 18T as the 52 or even the 50, then there is potential.
doc

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
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Subject: Re: Yak Wing Tanks





Unfortunately Doc, the Yak 52 fuel bladders will not fit the 18T, nor will the CJ6 bladders. They can definitely be fabricated though. It would require an 18T to take all the measurements etc. and then to install the initial prototype bladders just like we did for the Yak 52 bladders.

Dennis
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
I forgot to mention you should also take pictures of the fuel cavity from all angles.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
I think an inflight refueling probe would be easier. Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Yeah. I miss trying to find a tanker amidst thunderstorms at night after a
couple of foul deck or pitching deck waveoffs only to find a basket that a
nugget has beat to smithereens, knocked the lights out of, ripped up the
turkey feathers so they swing in and out of view of a probe light..... Oh,
I forgot blue water ops.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:57 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
And he was off to the Rodeo! I still like my sheets cool and clean, my
skivvies clean (still after a sortie), and runways long and stable! As for
night refueling, that can be sporting even with a probe!
Doc

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
Doc,
You just don't know what you missed! : )

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Yak Wing Tanks Reply with quote
I especially liked the idea of bunking under that CAT with a couple of guys.
Not! :^))
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